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Old 01-13-2016, 07:29 PM
 
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...that "illegals" are a net drag on the U.S. economy?

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Old 01-13-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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...that "illegals" are a net drag on the U.S. economy?

Thanks in advance.

There have been numerous, viable stats posted in here already. The bottom line is that they are here illegally and working jobs only Americans and legal immigrants are entitled to. They cost us billions covering their social costs and they never pay in enough taxes to cover them. They also send billions out of our country back to their homelands that isn't spent in our economy. They overcrowd our schools, jail and hospitals. They tap into our welfare coffers by fraud and through their anchor babies. The only ones who benefit from them are the greedy employers who hire them. The rest of us get the shaft. Does that answer your question?
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Old 01-13-2016, 09:35 PM
 
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OP---Does the SJC in your name refer to San Jose, CA? If so, take a look at this link:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on California Taxpayers (2014)
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Old 01-14-2016, 04:58 AM
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As the thread continues, remember the op asked a question, that's the topic. Not "rant about illegal immigration/illegals in general" or "post links that have absolutely nothing to do with what the OP wants".
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Old 01-14-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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It is actually complicated. I have yet to see the cost of public assistance, unemployment insurance for those displaced by illegals or the money being sent out of the country by the illegals added to the total cost of their presence here. I am looking for that information because I know it is HUGE. Also know, my husband and his co-workers were replaced with illegal aliens in the last city where we lived, my son was denied educational services because of the overwhelming cost of English as a 2nd language in school and now is denied Medicaid services that he needs because of the burden of illegals getting emergency care, full spectrum of pre-natal care even when illegal and illegals using the emergency room at 3 times the rate of citizens. An anchor is born is immediately is insured by the taxpayers! And, yes, this is all relevant to the cost in the long run for the legal citizen.

Cost of Unlawful Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayers

The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies

And, this one does bring up some of the indirect costs: Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. $100 Billion per Year, Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News Where we live, little illegal town, dog bites from the pit bulls happen often, 2 came after us and there are constant hit and runs all adding to the cost of insurance. Always remembering when reading the article that these people are here illegally and their burden cannot be compared with that of our legal citizens in the US. Grandma might be a cost burden at 100 but Grandma is legal.

If amnesty is enacted the costs will soar as the illegal adults become eligible for the full array of public assistance benefits. We will go from billions to trillions. Again, relevant because if we don't enforce the law, the illegal aliens will continue to push for more and more continuing the imbalance of cost over benefit, cost being higher, of allowing this crime to go unpunished.

"Creditable" is a matter of personal preference and indicates that whatever info I post and links, they will be discredited by the OP. That is the standard here.

Know that it would be much cheaper if we let out all of our non-violent citizen criminals out of prison. It would probably save billions of taxpayer dollars. And, yes, that is VERY relevant since we are talking about illegal aliens who have committed the crime of illegal entry and it is a crime.

The bottom line is that we should not be having a conversation about the cost of illegals on the taxpayers because under the law, they should have been deported not given handouts!
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Old 01-14-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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It is actually complicated. I have yet to see the cost of public assistance, unemployment insurance for those displaced by illegals or the money being sent out of the country by the illegals added to the total cost of their presence here. I am looking for that information because I know it is HUGE. Also know, my husband and his co-workers were replaced with illegal aliens in the last city where we lived, my son was denied educational services because of the overwhelming cost of English as a 2nd language in school and now is denied Medicaid services that he needs because of the burden of illegals getting emergency care, full spectrum of pre-natal care even when illegal and illegals using the emergency room at 3 times the rate of citizens. An anchor is born is immediately is insured by the taxpayers! And, yes, this is all relevant to the cost in the long run for the legal citizen.

Cost of Unlawful Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayers

The High Cost of Cheap Labor | Center for Immigration Studies

And, this one does bring up some of the indirect costs: Illegal Immigrants Cost U.S. $100 Billion per Year, Conservative Group Says About Illegal Immigration - ABC News Where we live, little illegal town, dog bites from the pit bulls happen often, 2 came after us and there are constant hit and runs all adding to the cost of insurance. Always remembering when reading the article that these people are here illegally and their burden cannot be compared with that of our legal citizens in the US. Grandma might be a cost burden at 100 but Grandma is legal.

If amnesty is enacted the costs will soar as the illegal adults become eligible for the full array of public assistance benefits. We will go from billions to trillions. Again, relevant because if we don't enforce the law, the illegal aliens will continue to push for more and more continuing the imbalance of cost over benefit, cost being higher, of allowing this crime to go unpunished.

"Creditable" is a matter of personal preference and indicates that whatever info I post and links, they will be discredited by the OP. That is the standard here.

Know that it would be much cheaper if we let out all of our non-violent citizen criminals out of prison. It would probably save billions of taxpayer dollars. And, yes, that is VERY relevant since we are talking about illegal aliens who have committed the crime of illegal entry and it is a crime.

The bottom line is that we should not be having a conversation about the cost of illegals on the taxpayers because under the law, they should have been deported not given handouts!

I agree. The bottom line is that they are here in violation of our immigration laws and according to our immigration laws they should be deported. There is really no need to discuss whether they are a boon or burden to our economy based on the above but we do know statistically which category they are in.
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Old 01-14-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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The answer is that it is not known or perhaps knowable.

A good summary is in...

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...mmigration.pdf

This deals with City and State costs but Box 1 is a good summary of the overall problem.

There is also a well known assessment at...

Cost of Illegal Immigrants

Basically there is no agreement on what to measure, how long to measure and what to do about it.

I personally believe a good case can be made that the feds should pick up the cost from the states and cities as it is a Federal problem. That still will not answer the cost question which is likely a complex long term calculation of net present values. It would however make the running costs visible and lead to pressure to fix it.
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Old 01-14-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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Well, in the last year CA Gov Brown agreed to take a large quantity of illegals into the state, then allowed them to enroll in MediCAL the same entity that covers lower income Californian's for the ACA, now that fund is broke and Gov Brown wants to institute a Health Premium Tax on the premiums of those not needing subsidies in order to prop up MediCAL. I can't see how this would NOT be a drain on the economy.
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Old 01-15-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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Well, in the last year CA Gov Brown agreed to take a large quantity of illegals into the state, then allowed them to enroll in MediCAL the same entity that covers lower income Californian's for the ACA, now that fund is broke and Gov Brown wants to institute a Health Premium Tax on the premiums of those not needing subsidies in order to prop up MediCAL. I can't see how this would NOT be a drain on the economy.
I never understand how CA gives so many freebies out when they are going broke. If illegals were a boom, CA would not being going broke. CA's biggest issue with allowing all of these people is WATER. I wonder how one can measure that cost. The Impact Of Illegal Immigration On California’s Drought Emergency – Downtrend

I also forgot to include the cost of lives of our citizens and how to do you measure that: http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
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Old 01-15-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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I never understand how CA gives so many freebies out when they are going broke. If illegals were a boom, CA would not being going broke. CA's biggest issue with allowing all of these people is WATER. I wonder how one can measure that cost. The Impact Of Illegal Immigration On California’s Drought Emergency – Downtrend

I also forgot to include the cost of lives of our citizens and how to do you measure that: http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
The use of water in CA is virtually all agricultural. If the illegals went away...and were not replaced...it would save perhaps 2.5% of the water. In fact the vast majority would be replaced as they generally perform needed functions.

California is in very good shape financially with a rainy day fund now past 12 billion and growing rapidly. Budget surplus is in the billions.

Illegals certainly impact the employment of citizens. The also lower the cost of living and improve the profitability of small businsses. On balance? Difficult if not impossible to calculate.
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