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Old 02-15-2016, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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I concede nothing on changing birthright citizenship. It will happen whether you like it or not. The House GOP introduced a bill last year to require at least on parent be a citizen of this country in order for their child born on our soil to be given our birthright citizenship but even that isn't necessary since there is nothing in the 14th Amendment that deems them so anyway. That is one of the ways that illegals do get benefits through their U.S. born kids.


Americans as in regular Americans know that cheap, illegal labor isn't really cheap when you factor in their social costs that are coming out of our taxes along with reduced wages and loss of jobs. It is only the greedy employers that like them as they reap profits from hiring them for less and they pass their social costs onto us regular taxpayers. I can't speak for the entire country but from what I have heard illegals are doing construction and landscaping jobs all over the country. It certainly is prevalent here in the southwest. If e-verify is mandated in every workplace with stiff fines for non-compliance very few employers will risk paying them cash under the table.
Thanks to Oldglory, I have that bill bookmarked: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...-bill/140/text

Information on the intention of the 14th Amendment when it comes birthright citizenship: https://steveking.house.gov/media-ce...onal-amendment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ation-defense/

Did Congress ever confer citizenship on anchor babies? - NetRight Daily

Jobs Americans won't do is nothing but a myth and I have posted numerous links to articles addressing this. Charges against restaurant owners part of crackdown on illegal immigration | CJOnline.com

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Profile them, round them up, arrest them, deport them. Put the ones you can't deport into camps. Make them dig their own wells, grow their own crops, build their own shelter.

Electrified barbed wire fencing along the border. E-Verify. Illegal immigration and hiring/harboring an illegal a felony with a mandatory minimum of 5 years of imprisonment.

Visa entry-exit tracking.

Send the military down to the border.

Increase the border patrol ten-fold.

Eliminate legal defenses to deportation.

Declare a national security emergency if necessary to do the above.
Where do I sign the petition to get this onboard? Or, will my vote for Trump and my calls and emails to my congress people to get them off their butts be enough?
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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I don't see anything cantankerous about my patriotic views. You couldn't be more wrong about me either. I have always been a suburbanite. I was a white collared worker before I retired. I am far from being a cowboy. What makes you think that all chambers of commerce are run by Republicans? Democrats are just as guilty of wanting cheap, illegal labor.


Deported parents should take their U.S. born kids with them. Any decent parents would. These so-called citizen children can return here when they become adults if they so choose. Every construction job is different. Could be mostly illegals, mostly legals or a mix of both. All I am saying is that illegals have flooded the construction and landscaping industries and that's just a fact.
I stand corrected then, Sir. I guessed you were from a border state with a huge immigration problem. Perhaps Az as you said you lived in the SW and lots of people in that State hold views similar to your's.


Have a good day!
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Old 02-15-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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I stand corrected then, Sir. I guessed you were from a border state with a huge immigration problem. Perhaps Az as you said you lived in the SW and lots of people in that State hold views similar to your's.


Have a good day!

I live in So. Calif. but not that close to the border. I have researched the issue of illegal immigration and know what a negative impact it has on our own workers, our taxes, crime rates, healthcare facilities, schools and neighborhoods but more importantly it is against the law and a violation of our soveirgn borders. We should all hold the view that it is in no way acceptable and take steps to end it.
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Old 02-15-2016, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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They are all over the place like ants: Map: Illegal immigrant population by state. and procreate like rabbits!

I find it interesting that someone would think that one has to be in a "border" state in order to be impacted by illegal aliens. As a U S citizen, you can't get away from being impacted by illegal aliens.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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They are all over the place like ants: Map: Illegal immigrant population by state. and procreate like rabbits!

I find it interesting that someone would think that one has to be in a "border" state in order to be impacted by illegal aliens. As a U S citizen, you can't get away from being impacted by illegal aliens.
I think you missed my point. I was making a logical assumption that those most affected by illegal immigration would be the most passionate about the issue.

Az because of its proximity to the border sees illegal immigrants differently than say, Maine. I bet if you polled people in Az the issues would be different than the issues in Washington.


I live in NYC and my issue is with the scheming Eastern Euros who have no respect for our laws and who trick people into marrying them as opposed to Mexicans. I dont really see too many Mexicans in NYC. Trump got busted for using illegal Poles via a subcontractor for some of his properties; i doubt that people in Az are worried about illegal Polish workers....maybe Bosnians but they all claimed refugee status in the early 2000s as a result of the war there and are all legal.

My point is that regional differences matter.

I also have a buddy who works as a DS Agent that tells me stories about how he routinely busts folks engaged in visa and marriage fraud but the SDNY US Attorneys office is too busy to prosecute such low level non political stuff.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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They are all over the place like ants: Map: Illegal immigrant population by state. and procreate like rabbits!

I find it interesting that someone would think that one has to be in a "border" state in order to be impacted by illegal aliens. As a U S citizen, you can't get away from being impacted by illegal aliens.
Cool graph. Nevada has the highest number of illegals in the workforce in the country.


This jives with my anecdotal evidence that a bunch of people that work in the casinos there are pulling a fast one.

I was in LV working as an extra over winter break and i saw that in the back of the house nobody spoke unaccented English. Kinda weird.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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Some would leave. How many is a mystery. And the ones who would not leave are the ones with deep ties and US children. They ain't going anywhere. So yeah - get a quick million maybe two. Then what? And all that presumes you could actually create the environment that would make them run...which you can't.

It doesn't work very well. It is mostly voluntary and has enough holes to drive trucks through. The real problem is that it is absolutely opposed by every business organization in the US. Getting a version of EVerify with enough teeth to be workable is virtually impossible.

The really big flaw is that any enforcement requires that the employer have knowledge of the illegal status. And that one is not going away. So the Employer uses subcontractors to do the hiring. The subs are throwaways. One gets nailed a new one starts the next day.


Some of the schemes in LV are quite fancy. The casinos do enforce and will fire over a busted SS number so the number and name have to match...and they do. So you find people with two jobs and retirees still gainfully employed etc, There are lots of schemes.

Nothing is going to happen on Birthright citizenship and OldGlory knows it but will never agree. It would devastate his arguments and force him to agree he has no fix.

The downside is that it is all virtually impossible and will never happen and would not fix the problem if it did happen. Other than that fine stuff.

That legal constructions workers is true anywhere in the SW where construction is dominated by Hispanics.
Thanks for your post. Your stuff is always moderated and informative. I post to learn not to rigidly advance an agenda.

1. I think you may be underestimating the impact of making it inhospitable for illegals to be here. Will they all leave? No. But if the heat was turned up many would say its not worth it and leave. Again, I think Romney was mocked unfairly for his self-deport comment.

ME refuges are already returning back to the ME because European nations cut their welfare benefits. I think it was Belgium that repatriated a bunch--well 500.

2. if political will existed we could get e-verify to work better. Why is there no political will? That's a good question to ask.

3. I agree with you 100% of birthright citizenship. Nothing should or will be done about it. I want people born here to buy into the system than hating on our country. Extend the tent and assign responsibility.

4. Thanks for the intel about Vegas. I suspected something. I know a bunch of hot Brazilians that work front of the house at the Wynn and they are not here legally. I think they pay people to use their identities. A bunch of Russian cocktail waitresses do the same too.

How do you know so much about this? You dont live in vegas.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:25 PM
 
Location: South Portland, ME
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3. I agree with you 100% of birthright citizenship. Nothing should or will be done about it. I want people born here to buy into the system than hating on our country. Extend the tent and assign responsibility.
Why does it matter where they are born? You fail to see that the logical extension of what you just said is that you should "want people LIVING here to buy into the system". Why does it matter how they got here, whether they were born here or moved from somewhere else?

This is why "illegal immigration" shouldn't even be a real phrase. If someone moves somewhere else, they should automatically become a citizen of that new place. Problem solved.
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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Why does it matter where they are born? You fail to see that the logical extension of what you just said is that you should "want people LIVING here to buy into the system". Why does it matter how they got here, whether they were born here or moved from somewhere else?

This is why "illegal immigration" shouldn't even be a real phrase. If someone moves somewhere else, they should automatically become a citizen of that new place. Problem solved.
huh?

My point was that I dont want the USA to become like Germany with a 5th column that's neither hear nor there....No Jihad John's in the USA. The people that fall between both worlds are the most dangerous.


I dont want to have people born here that are not Americans.


Am I missing something?
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Old 02-15-2016, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Dothan AL
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What's reform to you? Ring wing zealots? I don't know of single conservative that doesn't want all illegals sent back home. As for Latinos they are the largest group by far here illegally and that is the only reason they get more of the attention.
I think of them as work motivated, and there are jobs here many Americans feel too good to accept, despite their lack of job preparation. They seem to good bad from the exposure to American lazy values. Well, that is how I see it
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