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Old 02-01-2016, 12:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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More like 250,000 including a number of American Citizens. And it is likely that many if not most simply came back again.

Trump: Eisenhower deported 1.5 million immigrants | PolitiFact
Wrong, the harsh environment meant that many did indeed self deport because of the fear of being deported to a place far from where they used to live with no way of getting back there. Where they left out of fear or were deported doesn't change the fact they they left.



While the idea that the operation resulted in more than 1 million deportations is not pulled out of thin air, historians widely cite that number as far too high for a variety of reasons -- including the fact that hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants would have had to self-deport.
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Old 02-01-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Wrong, the harsh environment meant that many did indeed self deport because of the fear of being deported to a place far from where they used to live with no way of getting back there. Where they left out of fear or were deported doesn't change the fact they they left.



While the idea that the operation resulted in more than 1 million deportations is not pulled out of thin air, historians widely cite that number as far too high for a variety of reasons -- including the fact that hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants would have had to self-deport.
Nonsense. Many left and then came back in the following guest worker program. The reduction in Mexican immigrants is pretty much all fiction.

The actual numbers deported are known. The self deport are all folklore. So with a massive and probably law breaking dragnet Ike got 250,000. Now what does Trump do about the other 10 million?
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Old 02-01-2016, 02:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Nonsense. Many left and then came back in the following guest worker program. The reduction in Mexican immigrants is pretty much all fiction.

The actual numbers deported are known. The self deport are all folklore. So with a massive and probably law breaking dragnet Ike got 250,000. Now what does Trump do about the other 10 million?
Believe what you want to believe.

1. You cannot count what you know exists but can not track.
2. 11 million has been the number thrown around since 2002 but we all know there are a lot fewer now than in 2002.

The rest is easy. Factory raids, fine employers, DL checks and tow vehicles. Actually "deport" people.

A good start would be I-9 use across the board. If they can't find work they will leave.
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Old 02-01-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Nonsense. Many left and then came back in the following guest worker program. The reduction in Mexican immigrants is pretty much all fiction.

The actual numbers deported are known. The self deport are all folklore. So with a massive and probably law breaking dragnet Ike got 250,000. Now what does Trump do about the other 10 million?
Yes many people kept returning, but not when they began deporting people 500 miles into the interior rather than just dropping them at the border. The coyote system smuggling people into the US was not as bold and sophisticated then as it is now.

Also, 250k is nothing to sneeze at when our population at the time was only 160 million.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Equal opportunity deportations. Yes that would include the Presidents Aunt, Uncle or any other relatives found here breaking our laws.Nation of origin, religion, marital status or whatever the excuse is should not be a consideration. The only consideration is legal status. If here illegally out you go. We should also impose stiff fines and penalties for all illegals to include seizing their assets to help offset the cost of their deportation. Employers should also receive a taste of the hammer. That includes the homeowners who hire illegals to do odd jobs.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:08 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Believe what you want to believe.

1. You cannot count what you know exists but can not track.
2. 11 million has been the number thrown around since 2002 but we all know there are a lot fewer now than in 2002.

The rest is easy. Factory raids, fine employers, DL checks and tow vehicles. Actually "deport" people.

A good start would be I-9 use across the board. If they can't find work they will leave.
Very true. There is no gate where they check in and check out. At the very best we only have guesses of how many illegals are actually in the country.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:18 PM
 
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Yes many people kept returning, but not when they began deporting people 500 miles into the interior rather than just dropping them at the border. The coyote system smuggling people into the US was not as bold and sophisticated then as it is now.

Also, 250k is nothing to sneeze at when our population at the time was only 160 million.
No indication that removal to the interior did anything great. And it killed people. 88 died in the deportations.

250K would be about 500K at our present population. That is about one twentieth of what we are dealing with.

Removing 10 million people, some of whom are well integrated into the society, is a bone breaking tasks costing 10 of billions and taking decades. And the probability is it would become so unpopular we would cancel it way before completion. Can't you imagine the fun when 25% of LA becomes a war zone?
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:23 PM
 
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No indication that removal to the interior did anything great. And it killed people. 88 died in the deportations.

250K would be about 500K at our present population. That is about one twentieth of what we are dealing with.

Removing 10 million people, some of whom are well integrated into the society, is a bone breaking tasks costing 10 of billions and taking decades. And the probability is it would become so unpopular we would cancel it way before completion. Can't you imagine the fun when 25% of LA becomes a war zone?
That assumes that we would have to deport all of them. As has been demonstrated in areas that cracked down on illegals or made life difficult, illegals moved out on their own.
Make penalties that include seizing all of their assets and they will not wait to be caught.
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Old 02-01-2016, 04:38 PM
 
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No indication that removal to the interior did anything great. And it killed people. 88 died in the deportations.

250K would be about 500K at our present population. That is about one twentieth of what we are dealing with.

Removing 10 million people, some of whom are well integrated into the society, is a bone breaking tasks costing 10 of billions and taking decades. And the probability is it would become so unpopular we would cancel it way before completion. Can't you imagine the fun when 25% of LA becomes a war zone?

No indication that it didn't either. How did these 88 die? Don't mean to sound callous but criminals often fall in harm's way. It costs us billions already allowing them to remain here and because our government does nothing about it and in fact gives them stays of deportation along with work permits that is just encouraging more to come here. It wouldn't be unpopular with law abiding Americans and who cares about those who are not? War zone? That's an exaggeration. Our national guard can handle any public disturbances.
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Old 02-01-2016, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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More like 250,000 including a number of American Citizens. And it is likely that many if not most simply came back again.

Trump: Eisenhower deported 1.5 million immigrants | PolitiFact
Thus the need for the WALL. Also, when they come in the first time and are caught, it is misdemeanor and if they come back and are caught, it is felony.
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