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Old 02-01-2016, 05:30 PM
 
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That assumes that we would have to deport all of them. As has been demonstrated in areas that cracked down on illegals or made life difficult, illegals moved out on their own.
Make penalties that include seizing all of their assets and they will not wait to be caught.
No it doesn't. It implies that once you get past the single guys working to send money home and into the people who have been here 15 or 20 years and have American children it becomes vastly more difficult.

So maybe you get the first third or even half by merely tripling the Immigrations forces and funneling in a couple of tens of billions to establish the police and court functions needed. Then it turns tough and you have to start hunting for people who do not wish to be found.

And I don't know where the war zones will be but if you think the last LA riots were bad wait until you see East LA go up...
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:28 PM
 
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No it doesn't. It implies that once you get past the single guys working to send money home and into the people who have been here 15 or 20 years and have American children it becomes vastly more difficult.

So maybe you get the first third or even half by merely tripling the Immigrations forces and funneling in a couple of tens of billions to establish the police and court functions needed. Then it turns tough and you have to start hunting for people who do not wish to be found.

And I don't know where the war zones will be but if you think the last LA riots were bad wait until you see East LA go up...

The best solution is to remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. Those incentives are jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship of their kids. On the other hand your war zone scenario is quite comical to me. Our military, police and national guard are quite capable of handling any situations like that. It may last a few days but the illegals would not win in the end.
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Old 02-01-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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The best solution is to remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. Those incentives are jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship of their kids. On the other hand your war zone scenario is quite comical to me. Our military, police and national guard are quite capable of handling any situations like that. It may last a few days but the illegals would not win in the end.
You have obviously never been involved in a race riot. I have been. It is not a simple or pleasant scenario and it is generally not well handled by national guard. After a third of LA burns down your view will shift.

There is virtually no chance of any modification of the birthright. It is only the delusions of old age that allow people to even consider such impossible events. Maybe if you click your heels three times the illegals will all vanish. That has the same odds of occurring as a modification of the birthright. So wish hard and click away.
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Old 02-02-2016, 05:57 AM
 
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You have obviously never been involved in a race riot. I have been. It is not a simple or pleasant scenario and it is generally not well handled by national guard. After a third of LA burns down your view will shift.

There is virtually no chance of any modification of the birthright. It is only the delusions of old age that allow people to even consider such impossible events. Maybe if you click your heels three times the illegals will all vanish. That has the same odds of occurring as a modification of the birthright. So wish hard and click away.
It wouldn't be a race riot. This is about our laws not race. The majority of Americans want birthright changed. It is not a delusion nor is that opinion exclusively of the elderly. From your posts it sounds like you want illegal aliens to remain here.


New High: 65% Oppose Automatic Citizenship for Children Born Here to Illegal Immigrants - Rasmussen Reports™
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Old 02-02-2016, 09:57 AM
 
Location: USA
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No argument here. Illegal immigration is wrong no matter which country you come from. The focus has been on illegal immigration from our southern border since that is the largest group, but yes I've heard of the Albanian and Russian illegals being a huge criminal underclass too.
"Illegal immigration is wrong no matter which country you come from."
Absolutely. There is a train of Illegals and people manipulating our liberal immigration policy.

Protecting our sovereignty and borders is "Not" Xenophobic.
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:01 AM
 
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No it doesn't. It implies that once you get past the single guys working to send money home and into the people who have been here 15 or 20 years and have American children it becomes vastly more difficult.

So maybe you get the first third or even half by merely tripling the Immigrations forces and funneling in a couple of tens of billions to establish the police and court functions needed. Then it turns tough and you have to start hunting for people who do not wish to be found.

And I don't know where the war zones will be but if you think the last LA riots were bad wait until you see East LA go up...
So, we should ignore our immigration laws. Enforcing our immigration laws is the only thing that keeps our sovereignty intact.
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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So, we should ignore our immigration laws. Enforcing our immigration laws is the only thing that keeps our sovereignty intact.
We can legislate that all illegals leave. If we fail to appropriate the money and resources to enforce our laws they are meaningless. It must also be possible to actually do the enforcement. Not clear that removing the illegals will work any better than did prohibition. So we can appropriate tens of billions of dollars, hire thousands of police and prosecutors and in 15 or 20 years we will know if it actually worked.

At present we have not appropriated the necessary monies nor hired the people required. And it is not clear we have a will to do so. We certainly lack the required consensus to change the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. So the actual choice we have is to live with what we have or fix it to some level that we can maintain and control.
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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You have obviously never been involved in a race riot. I have been. It is not a simple or pleasant scenario and it is generally not well handled by national guard. After a third of LA burns down your view will shift.

There is virtually no chance of any modification of the birthright. It is only the delusions of old age that allow people to even consider such impossible events. Maybe if you click your heels three times the illegals will all vanish. That has the same odds of occurring as a modification of the birthright. So wish hard and click away.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...-bill/140/text
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution
Did Congress ever confer citizenship on anchor babies? - NetRight Daily

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"Illegal immigration is wrong no matter which country you come from."
Absolutely. There is a train of Illegals and people manipulating our liberal immigration policy.

Protecting our sovereignty and borders is "Not" Xenophobic.
They use "xenophobic" because they have no argument and most probably haven't even looked up the word so don't have a clue what it means. Parroting is very popular in election seasons. Hey, at least they are off the "brown people" kick for awhile. The "brown" race. As a Trump supporter, an uneducated one as you know, if I'm uneducated then those that.................well, you get the general idea.

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We can legislate that all illegals leave. If we fail to appropriate the money and resources to enforce our laws they are meaningless. It must also be possible to actually do the enforcement. Not clear that removing the illegals will work any better than did prohibition. So we can appropriate tens of billions of dollars, hire thousands of police and prosecutors and in 15 or 20 years we will know if it actually worked.

At present we have not appropriated the necessary monies nor hired the people required. And it is not clear we have a will to do so. We certainly lack the required consensus to change the Constitution to end birthright citizenship. So the actual choice we have is to live with what we have or fix it to some level that we can maintain and control.
We already have the resources in place, so it is just a matter of letting both the border patrol and states do the job they are supposed to be doing. Some state law enforcement officials have received the necessary training and certification to "take care of the problems" in their own states to ready the criminals for pickup and export.

We make medical, school, all law enforcement, etc. mandated reporters of suspected illegal aliens. This is done with both APS/CPS for abuse so it would simply follow a similar model.

Keeping in mind how important knowledge of your subject is: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

There is no cost to setting up e-verify for a company: https://www.uscis.gov/e-verify

And, we are quite capable of taking in military troops to deal with riots. We have done it before and can do it again. We cannot be held hostage by criminals, breaking our immigration laws makes one a criminal.

Get your pintas early for the going away parties and avoid the rush! Criminals be gone!
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Old 02-02-2016, 06:21 PM
 
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...-bill/140/text
The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution
Did Congress ever confer citizenship on anchor babies? - NetRight Daily



They use "xenophobic" because they have no argument and most probably haven't even looked up the word so don't have a clue what it means. Parroting is very popular in election seasons. Hey, at least they are off the "brown people" kick for awhile. The "brown" race. As a Trump supporter, an uneducated one as you know, if I'm uneducated then those that.................well, you get the general idea.



We already have the resources in place, so it is just a matter of letting both the border patrol and states do the job they are supposed to be doing. Some state law enforcement officials have received the necessary training and certification to "take care of the problems" in their own states to ready the criminals for pickup and export.

We make medical, school, all law enforcement, etc. mandated reporters of suspected illegal aliens. This is done with both APS/CPS for abuse so it would simply follow a similar model.

Keeping in mind how important knowledge of your subject is: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

There is no cost to setting up e-verify for a company: https://www.uscis.gov/e-verify

And, we are quite capable of taking in military troops to deal with riots. We have done it before and can do it again. We cannot be held hostage by criminals, breaking our immigration laws makes one a criminal.

Get your pintas early for the going away parties and avoid the rush! Criminals be gone!
We barely have the resources to deal with the present situation...in fact we may not. Where do you think the Police are going to put the people they pick up. Virtually all in the interior have a right to a hearing and will likely have legal representation. So you have to hold them...in facilities you don't have for hearings that lack judges and prosecutors. You will therefore have to let most go as you cannot hold them for practical and legal reasons...and you lack the infrastructure to even process mass arrests.

Sure you can set up camps. After you appropriate the money to buy and/or equip them and hire and train the guards and administrators. Just what we need another 100,000 federal employees.

Sure everify will work. After you straighten it out so lit works with a low error rate and pass the legislation requirement that hiring companies use it. And you get rid of the requirement that hiring be done knowingly. Want to bet on the view of the business community on all that?

Military troops are of very limited effectiveness in dealing with rioters. Always have been. The rioters simply destroy and vanish. What are you going to do...stage a division of infantry in every downtown? Ever think about what that costs? The rioters just go home and wait until the troops leave and do it again.

The whole thought remains absurd. And neither Trump nor anyone else will make it rational.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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It is really impossible to explain this to someone that either refuses to hear the truth or isn't well versed on the situation. We can only do so much to educate people.

Marco Rubio: Open-Borders-Money Beneficiary and Border Patrol Agents Allege They Are Being Stripped Of Their Rifles - Freedom Outpost

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d8a_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d8a_story.html

The majority want this done: Poll: Americans Want More Aggressive Deportation of Illegal Immigrants - Katie Pavlich

The savings would be enormous over time for the taxpayers.

You can whine and whine and ifs, ands and buts but this can be done with minimum cost. Untie the hands of those on the payroll to do the job and get the mandated reporters moving............

I'm tired of the Just pack your stuff and obey the law like everyone else.
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