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Old 02-15-2008, 04:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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History tells us that Empire's are not to exist forever, our country's wealth
was built on slave work from Africa, which lasted until the 1960's with the end of apartheid in the U.S., since then we have depended more and more on
labor from our neighbors down south and so far they have done an exceptional
work, but as they too progress in the economic ladder we need to keep
importing them, U.S. largest economy is still agriculture, if you take effective
labor from the equation, agriculture will also collapse, and will follow the fate of so many other sectors of the economy where the jobs have gone abroad, soon we may even get education over the internet by folks in India or China,
I always tell my fellow Americans; be careful on what you wish for!!!!
Guess you have to go with what you know, eh? I mean, why bother to think up a new post when this one is working so well for you.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:41 PM
 
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History tells us that Empire's are not to exist forever, our country's wealth
was built on slave work from Africa, which lasted until the 1960's with the end of apartheid in the U.S., since then we have depended more and more on
labor from our neighbors down south and so far they have done an exceptional
work, but as they too progress in the economic ladder we need to keep
importing them, U.S. largest economy is still agriculture, if you take effective
labor from the equation, agriculture will also collapse, and will follow the fate of so many other sectors of the economy where the jobs have gone abroad, soon we may even get education over the internet by folks in India or China,
I always tell my fellow Americans; be careful on what you wish for!!!!
american labor force by occupation
managerial and professional (31%), technical, sales and administrative support (29%), services (14%), manufacturing, mining, transportation, and crafts (24%), farming, forestry, and fishing (3%) (excludes unemployed)

as you see, we really do not need to be importing workers for our farming programs. what we need to be doing, and are not doing, is become more competitive with china on an exporting basis. (for which our illegal immigrant workers benefit us not one iota). read it and weep:
China's surging trade surplus this year, driven by continued increases in high-tech exports, "constitutes a major challenge to U.S. global competitiveness," declares the Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI. If the issue is not addressed and the trade imbalance continues to grow -- "like the gallows" -- then "sooner rather than later the markets will trigger the inevitable adjustment, with what will almost certainly be more grim financial reaping," says the analysis prepared by Ernest Preeg, MAPI's senior fellow in trade and productivity.
During the first six months of this year, China surpassed the United States as being the world's largest exporter. Only five years ago, the United States exported more than double the amount of China. During the first half of 2006, Chinese exports of manufactured goods reached $404 billion compared to $367 billion in exports by the United States.

"This dramatic reversal, together with the increasingly high-tech orientation of Chinese exports, poses a serious challenge to U.S. export competitiveness and long-standing leadership in technological innovation," writes Preeg.
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Old 02-16-2008, 01:06 PM
 
Location: California
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american labor force by occupation
managerial and professional (31%), technical, sales and administrative support (29%), services (14%), manufacturing, mining, transportation, and crafts (24%), farming, forestry, and fishing (3%) (excludes unemployed)

as you see, we really do not need to be importing workers for our farming programs. what we need to be doing, and are not doing, is become more competitive with china on an exporting basis. (for which our illegal immigrant workers benefit us not one iota). read it and weep:
China's surging trade surplus this year, driven by continued increases in high-tech exports, "constitutes a major challenge to U.S. global competitiveness," declares the Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI. If the issue is not addressed and the trade imbalance continues to grow -- "like the gallows" -- then "sooner rather than later the markets will trigger the inevitable adjustment, with what will almost certainly be more grim financial reaping," says the analysis prepared by Ernest Preeg, MAPI's senior fellow in trade and productivity.
During the first six months of this year, China surpassed the United States as being the world's largest exporter. Only five years ago, the United States exported more than double the amount of China. During the first half of 2006, Chinese exports of manufactured goods reached $404 billion compared to $367 billion in exports by the United States.

"This dramatic reversal, together with the increasingly high-tech orientation of Chinese exports, poses a serious challenge to U.S. export competitiveness and long-standing leadership in technological innovation," writes Preeg.
The ones in bold are the ones I see moving up and out the country.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:12 AM
 
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Good points, but I would add: Guest workers should be given green cards for specific kinds of work. If they leave those jobs for better paying jobs (for instance if they're here to do farm work, and they leave for a construction job) eployers should be required to report them to ICE, and their green cards be revoked.
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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History tells us that Empire's are not to exist forever, our country's wealth
was built on slave work from Africa, which lasted until the 1960's with the end of apartheid in the U.S., since then we have depended more and more on
labor from our neighbors down south and so far they have done an exceptional
work, but as they too progress in the economic ladder we need to keep
importing them, U.S. largest economy is still agriculture, if you take effective
labor from the equation, agriculture will also collapse, and will follow the fate of so many other sectors of the economy where the jobs have gone abroad, soon we may even get education over the internet by folks in India or China,
I always tell my fellow Americans; be careful on what you wish for!!!!
Automation has all but done away with stoop labor except for what's considered specialty crops. We don't need people to hoe beans or corn like we did 30 or so years ago it's all done by tractor and other machinery.

This latest invasion is just all the more reason for our thinkers to come up with replacement machinery. Before you know it they'll invent a machine to stand around Home Depots giving cat calls to girls.
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