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Old 05-19-2016, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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But they are here and they are American citizens just like you.
Yep... due to an incorrect interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

You happy about that?
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Old 05-19-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Yeah, and they take away resources from other kids. They are only considered to be American citizens due to a flawed interpretation of the 14th amendment. You can search this forum as this topic has been discussed at length before.

No doubt that the whole anchor baby/birth tourism fiasco needs to come to an end---the sooner the better.
You mean its flawed because they dont say what you want it to say?

Are you a lawyer or do you have education that allows you to interpret law?? The people that do have done, so why cant people respect that?
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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You mean its flawed because they dont say what you want it to say?

Are you a lawyer or do you have education that allows you to interpret law?? The people that do have done, so why cant people respect that?

The 14th does not state that children born from illegal aliens are birthright citizens, quite the opposite. It has nothing to do with what we want it to say. It has merely been a PC policy to deem them so. There has never been a case brought before the Supreme Court challenging it. It's going to change though and not a moment to soon.
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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The 14th does not state that children born from illegal aliens are birthright citizens, quite the opposite. It has nothing to do with what we want it to say. It has merely been a PC policy to deem them so. There has never been a case brought before the Supreme Court challenging it. It's going to change though and not a moment to soon.
No, it doesn't say that and yes, it going to be changing.

I just realized that the "influx" is probably coming into my city because they can get Section 8 vouchers here using an anchor. Our state is already overburdened with the illegals and their anchors.

Two illegal aliens do not produce a legal citizen and neither does that supposed "anchor" assure the illegals a free pass. Per the law, they haul their tails along with the anchors back to where they came from.
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Old 05-19-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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The 14th does not state that children born from illegal aliens are birthright citizens, quite the opposite. It has nothing to do with what we want it to say. It has merely been a PC policy to deem them so. There has never been a case brought before the Supreme Court challenging it. It's going to change though and not a moment to soon.
Wait, are you a lawyer, judge, paralegal or someone that has extensive work in political science?
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Old 05-19-2016, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Wait, are you a lawyer, judge, paralegal or someone that has extensive work in political science?
You just need to know how to read English. Go ahead, give it a shot and we'll help you with the parts you don't understand:

Did Congress ever confer citizenship on anchor babies? - NetRight Daily and The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution I'll give you a clue to understanding the whole thing, it lies in the phrase "subject to their jurisdiction".

Also, as far as an "anchor" anchoring the illegal family, ah, no on that also: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ation-defense/

Also, for those that harbor these illegals, they might want to note this law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324

Separating families? We do all the time with criminals that are citizens and they don't even have the choice whether or not to keep their children with them, and if they don't have a relative that steps up to take their children, the children go into foster care. Sadly, children whose parents are criminals suffer at the hands and mindlessness of their parents.

And, your questions are? I'm ready and waiting.
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Old 05-19-2016, 03:56 PM
 
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Yep... due to an incorrect interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

You happy about that?

Can you provide a link to the court decision, preferably a Supreme Court decision that backs up your claim that the 14th Amendment has been incorrectly interpreted?
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Old 05-19-2016, 07:08 PM
 
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Wait, are you a lawyer, judge, paralegal or someone that has extensive work in political science?
No, I have read the arguments against it and they make perfect sense. If you think I am the only one who knows this then I don't know what to tell you. That issue has been discussed in here numerous times. I suggest you search this site and read those arguments.
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Old 05-20-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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You mean its flawed because they dont say what you want it to say?

Are you a lawyer or do you have education that allows you to interpret law?? The people that do have done, so why cant people respect that?
The 14th Amendment isn't flawed. The common interpretation of it is flawed. It was designed to nullify Dred Scott. It was never intended to grant citizenship to children of illegal aliens.

Senator Jacob Howard, the principal author of the 14th Amendment, wrote:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

Or you can go ahead and ignore the facts.
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Old 05-20-2016, 12:43 PM
 
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The 14th Amendment isn't flawed. The common interpretation of it is flawed. It was designed to nullify Dred Scott. It was never intended to grant citizenship to children of illegal aliens.

Senator Jacob Howard, the principal author of the 14th Amendment, wrote:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

Or you can go ahead and ignore the facts.
Looks pretty cut and dried to me but; the illegal alien fans including those who "run" the country WON'T face understanding basic English.
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