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Old 06-06-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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So this is "immigration reform"? Just forgiving criminals for jumping the border illegally and doing God knows what after they got here? What, do they get a blanket pardon for all the crimes they've committed too? How about all the uncollected taxes on wages? How about the services they used while here ILLEGALLY that they paid no taxes to be a part of?

This country needs Trump. Our last chance.

Clinton Stresses Commitment To Immigration Reform In Sylmar Campaign Stop CBS Los Angeles
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Old 06-06-2016, 08:41 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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So this is "immigration reform"? Just forgiving criminals for jumping the border illegally and doing God knows what after they got here? What, do they get a blanket pardon for all the crimes they've committed too? How about all the uncollected taxes on wages? How about the services they used while here ILLEGALLY that they paid no taxes to be a part of?

This country needs Trump. Our last chance.

Clinton Stresses Commitment To Immigration Reform In Sylmar Campaign Stop CBS Los Angeles
And here is the issue. What is reform? To me it is streamlining an outdated redundant system. To me it is being more selective about who we reward with a green card. To me it is raising the bar so that we don't increase the burden upon the tax payer.
No where in our constitution does it say we owe a green card to anyone who wants one, especially if they are poor, uneducated or illiterate.
No where does it say that we should turn a blind eye to previous violations of our laws.
We do have laws however that disqualify people for breaking our immigration laws.
For example claiming to be a citizen when you are not can result in deportation of a green card holder. Should it not have the same consequence for an illegal?
It seems that the Democrats feel that we are the only country that shouldn't be allowed to enforce our immigration laws.
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Old 06-06-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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So this is "immigration reform"? Just forgiving criminals for jumping the border illegally and doing God knows what after they got here? What, do they get a blanket pardon for all the crimes they've committed too? How about all the uncollected taxes on wages? How about the services they used while here ILLEGALLY that they paid no taxes to be a part of?

This country needs Trump. Our last chance.

Clinton Stresses Commitment To Immigration Reform In Sylmar Campaign Stop CBS Los Angeles
I don't think Trump is really out last chance, but he is our last chance
to defend ourselves through the political system. If that fails, there
are other, more direct options.
We're going to have to come to grip with this if he loses.
And decide how to survive, or leave.
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Old 06-06-2016, 04:24 PM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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There will come a point when the middle class cannot be taxed enough to pay for illegals monetary excess costs to America. And even with the current flood of illegals taking the jobs from the middle class, they will not contribute enough to make up the shortfall.

When the money stops, who will pay then?
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Old 06-06-2016, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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There will come a point when the middle class cannot be taxed enough to pay for illegals monetary excess costs to America. And even with the current flood of illegals taking the jobs from the middle class, they will not contribute enough to make up the shortfall.

When the money stops, who will pay then?
That is the reason this has to be reversed by taking the freebies so they'll go home and stopped in its tracks. We are already seeing cuts for our own citizens. They are pulling us into 3rd world status and disrespect our country, our people and our laws. Now why the heck should we put up with that.

Amnesty will cost $6.3 trillion because all of those not working but ineligible for public assistance will qualify for the full spectrum of public assistance benefits. Others that are working low wage jobs will also qualify. Section 8 housing is already full of illegals with their anchor babies while citizen families are on waiting list and some homeless.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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No where in our constitution does it say we owe a green card to anyone who wants one, especially if they are poor, uneducated or illiterate.
No where does it say that we should turn a blind eye to previous violations of our laws.
We do have laws however that disqualify people for breaking our immigration laws.
For example claiming to be a citizen when you are not can result in deportation of a green card holder. Should it not have the same consequence for an illegal?
It seems that the Democrats feel that we are the only country that shouldn't be allowed to enforce our immigration laws.
I share your lament, but what you envision would only have a chance of happening if a constitutional conservative were to occupy the oval office, and that is never going to happen. Democrats care about one thing primarily re new citizens....will they become reliable Democrat voters.

Trump is the last Republican, thanks to identity politics and also indoctrination from unionized public school teachers (among other things), who has any chance at the oval office, and Trump isn't a constitutional conservative.

The only thing that might change the situation is if both major parties break apart and take some sort of form that is different, or if a current '3rd party' somehow enjoys immense gains re membership.
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Old 06-23-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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There will come a point when the middle class cannot be taxed enough to pay for illegals monetary excess costs to America. And even with the current flood of illegals taking the jobs from the middle class, they will not contribute enough to make up the shortfall.

When the money stops, who will pay then?
Money will just continue to be printed. The percentage of the federal budget that goes to service the national debt will increase. As U.S. debt gets less attractive, interest rate hikes might work to make buying the debt more attractive. Of course the increased interest expense will likely contribute to an increase in the percentage of the federal budget that goes to service the national debt. Another factor in the 'attractiveness' of our debt is how we are doing compared to other economies around the world. Eventually programs might have to be cut to accommodate the increased budget percentage going to service the debt, or there will need to be a 'reset' where the debt to outside entities isn't completely honored, or both. Japan hasn't collapsed under a debt to GDP ratio that has been over 200% for a few years, but Japan is a more socially rigid and homogeneous country than is the United States. Would the U.S. be able to handle a 200+% debt to GDP ratio?
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Did anybody really expect anything different out of Hillary? This is the one of the many reasons that I cannot and will not vote for her. Our Country is being invaded and we are rewarding the invaders!
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Begs the question.......

Why would cankles pander to the illegal if they couldn't vote for her anyway?

Or is there a means in place where by the illegals will be voting in the general?

Along with votes from beyond the grave, to be certain.

CN
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Old 06-23-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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Did anybody really expect anything different out of Hillary? This is the one of the many reasons that I cannot and will not vote for her. Our Country is being invaded and we are rewarding the invaders!
She thinks nothing of adding to the debt and has grand spending plans, among them healthcare for all the illegal immigrants.

12 Scary Hillary Clinton Promises:

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