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Old 02-16-2008, 09:11 PM
 
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Why is there not a world wide move to end Economic Apartheid by the Mexican government. Racial apartheid was torn down in South Africa by the combined efforts of many nations. How can 10% of the population live a life of luxury while so many live in abstract poverty. On the border you see people living in card board shacks. Children beg and live on the streets by the thousands. Mexican Americans should be organizing protest to end the cruelty imposed on the Mexican citizens. The Rich in Mexico refuse to tax themself so they can horde the wealth. Without taxes you cannot invest in infrastructure or provide free schooling for the poor. Why is Mexico content in being a poverty factory.
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Old 02-16-2008, 09:57 PM
 
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Why is there not a world wide move to end Economic Apartheid by the Mexican government. .
Because, as bad as things are there, it's vastly better off than most of the world. Mexico is really quite a typical nation...that's the way the average citizen of Planet Earth lives, and the way ALL of us lived, just a few generations ago--if we were LUCKY. It's not that Mexico is so "bad" that's remarkable--it's that life here is so GOOD. And most of us don't even realize it, let alone appreciate it...and we'll probably end up voluntarily "throwing it all away" in the next few decades, and then Mexico, and the rest of the "normal" world, will shake their heads in disgust. We sure won't get any sympathy, I can assure you of that. We'll have 'done it to ourselves'. (we're in the process right now...read some of the outlandish posts on the 'immigration forum' if you doubt me)..

You want to change Mexico? Good luck. You have about 75 or 80 WORSE places to start before you get THERE...Try going to Haiti some day---it makes Mexico look like Switzerland....

I think changing Mexico is hopeless. It will be a LOT easier to change the US...into a third-world country, so that life gets rough enough that no one is 'resentful' of us anymore, and illegal immgrants are no longer tempted to come here, because there's no point in it. That's what is starting to happen now. Give us another 25 or 30 years, and the transformation may be almost complete...our standard of living will be so close to Mexico's that immigration will simply cease. We'll finally have succeeded in becoming a "regular" nation, just like the rest of the world.

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Old 02-16-2008, 10:08 PM
 
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Because, as bad as things are there, it's vastly better off than most of the world. Mexico is really quite a typical nation...that's the way the average citizen of Planet Earth lives, and the way ALL of us lived, just a few generations ago--if we were LUCKY. It's not that Mexico is so "bad" that's remarkable--it's that life here is so GOOD. And most of us don't even realize it, let alone appreciate it...and we'll probably end up voluntarily "throwing it all away" in the next few decades, and then Mexico, and the rest of the "normal" world, will shake their heads in disgust. We sure won't get any sympathy, I can assure you of that. We'll have 'done it to ourselves'. (we're in the process right now...read some of the outlandish posts on the 'immigration forum' if you doubt me)..

You want to change Mexico? Good luck. You have about 75 or 80 WORSE places to start before you get THERE...Try going to Haiti some day---it makes Mexico look like Switzerland....
Macmeal all those other nations do not share a border with the US. Lets stop the bleeding at the main source.
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Old 02-16-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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Macmeal all those other nations do not share a border with the US. Lets stop the bleeding at the main source.
You're talking about changing a country that's been doing "business as usual" forever, whose rich "movers and shakers" have every incentive to continue to push illegal "emigration" ('out') as a social 'safety valve', and who have little interest in foreign 'meddling', particularly from the "gringos". You're basically talking about re-structuring a whole society, while at the same time keeping OURS from disintegrating, dealing with 20 million people on the 'wrong side of the line' which NEITHER side now 'wants'. Good thoughts, but I sure don't know how you'd do it, since many very POWERFUL interests are happy with things just the way they are...
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:47 AM
 
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why should mexico help themselves, when they have the USA doing it
all for them. They'll just sit back and wait. wait until more and more
USA companies move and set up shop in mexico.. they won't have to
lift a finger.. mexicans have been getting everything handed to them
on a silver platter.. why disrupt it. They get rid of thier lowlife by showing
them the way over here. Then they get free U.S. dollars by the millions
each year via remittenances. They get free education via USA so why
worry about education. They are given millions each year by the USA, so
why rock the boat. Both fox and calderon were educated via USA. They are pushing for another amnesty.. gee wonder why. You are not going to try
and help yourself.. when some one else is giving it all to you!
laraza is a very good agenda for the pro's.. amnesty, open border come as you please is all they want... all the posts in the world will not change the
fact that they still have family in mexico and so-on... and facts are not
going to change.. remember, most hispanics who are now u.s. citizens, only
became citizens due to AMNESTY. hispanics who are now legal via amnesty were all once past illegal criminals themselves, and many have illegal relatives
being smuggled in everyday. Why do you think they are pushing for another amnesty! It is a con-tinious cycle that will not change, until our border in fully secured and all get sent back where they belong!
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Old 02-17-2008, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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In defense of today's 'little' Mexicans: they have cut their birthrate from 7.3 children woman back in 1962 down to under 2.4 kids today------replacement level is 2.1.

That is occurring in Mexico; unfortunately, the illegals here in the USA tend more towards ca. 3 children per woman.
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Old 02-17-2008, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Why don't we do the same thing here? Corporate salaries are through the roof while many live in poverty. Let's work on the states and set an example for others to follow.
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Old 02-17-2008, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Why don't we do the same thing here? Corporate salaries are through the roof while many live in poverty. Let's work on the states and set an example for others to follow.
That is a sore point with me as well; the exhorbitant wages being paid to flagrantly overvalued CEO's.

Although; that still is no excuse for the Third World countries acting the way they do.
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Old 02-17-2008, 09:41 AM
 
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Why is there not a world wide move to end Economic Apartheid by the Mexican government. Racial apartheid was torn down in South Africa by the combined efforts of many nations. How can 10% of the population live a life of luxury while so many live in abstract poverty. On the border you see people living in card board shacks. Children beg and live on the streets by the thousands. Mexican Americans should be organizing protest to end the cruelty imposed on the Mexican citizens. The Rich in Mexico refuse to tax themself so they can horde the wealth. Without taxes you cannot invest in infrastructure or provide free schooling for the poor. Why is Mexico content in being a poverty factory.
Wealthy Mexicans like their system very well -- it's certainly benefitting them very nicely.

What's not to like? They've got plentiful dirt cheap servants to wait on them. So they have found themselves with an excess of serfs -- which they figure they can just ship over to the USA -- problem solved.

The rich in Mexico pay no taxes -- they've got Americans to provide welfare programs and foodstamps to their impoverished and American hospitals will provide free health care to them -- so why would they want to change that and have to give up a cruise for their entire family because they would have to start paying taxes instead?

Also the are guaranteed the plush jobs -- no competition. If you have the right family connections, you get the job. No hard working descendent of peasants will compete with you. Oligarchies are great if you're one at the very top.

Mexico has more billionaires than Great Britain or Saudi Arabia -- and plenty of very wealthy -- and of course they don't want to change a thing.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:44 AM
 
Location: California
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why should mexico help themselves, when they have the USA doing it
all for them. They'll just sit back and wait. wait until more and more
USA companies move and set up shop in mexico.. they won't have to
lift a finger.. mexicans have been getting everything handed to them
on a silver platter.. why disrupt it. They get rid of thier lowlife by showing
them the way over here. Then they get free U.S. dollars by the millions
each year via remittenances. They get free education via USA so why
worry about education. They are given millions each year by the USA, so
why rock the boat. Both fox and calderon were educated via USA. They are pushing for another amnesty.. gee wonder why. You are not going to try
and help yourself.. when some one else is giving it all to you!
laraza is a very good agenda for the pro's.. amnesty, open border come as you please is all they want... all the posts in the world will not change the
fact that they still have family in mexico and so-on... and facts are not
going to change.. remember, most hispanics who are now u.s. citizens, only
became citizens due to AMNESTY. hispanics who are now legal via amnesty were all once past illegal criminals themselves, and many have illegal relatives
being smuggled in everyday. Why do you think they are pushing for another amnesty! It is a con-tinious cycle that will not change, until our border in fully secured and all get sent back where they belong!
Last time I checked the U.S is trying to be Captain America, saving everyones asses-- not just Mexico.
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