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Old 06-24-2016, 07:53 PM
 
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This illegal immigration issue has been lurking for almost 40 years. It is about time this gets resolved and then scratched off the 'To Do' list once and for all. This will take a strong bipartisan effort to get done.

If it was up to me I would first seal our borders, pardon the illegals already here that have no criminal history and have at least 7 years living here, deport the illegals with criminal history and /or less than 7 years living here, fine the pardoned illegals $2,500 to $5,000 (they will have 12 months to pay the fine or else get deported), special 'pardoned' visas for these people will be issued once the fine is paid and then I would enforce a strict e-verify service from a determined starting point. From this determined starting point no government handout OF ANY KIND will be provided to anyone that is not an American citizen. Student visas, tourist visas and job visas will be harder to obtain. If you are from another country and want to invest in the U.S. you will be placed in front of the line provided you hire Americans and this will be checked.

With my plan there will be losers and winners. Some illegal aliens will undoubtedly self deport. Others wanting to come in will no longer come as the freebies will be taken away. That's it. This is my plan.
Agreed tho I'd make the cut off 20 years or more instead of 7 AND even a jaywalking ticket would earn ANY illegal alien a 1 way trip OUT of the US. IMHO that'd get rid of probably 95 out of a 100 of their kind.
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Old 06-24-2016, 09:30 PM
 
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This illegal immigration issue has been lurking for almost 40 years. It is about time this gets resolved and then scratched off the 'To Do' list once and for all. This will take a strong bipartisan effort to get done.

If it was up to me I would first seal our borders, pardon the illegals already here that have no criminal history and have at least 7 years living here, deport the illegals with criminal history and /or less than 7 years living here, fine the pardoned illegals $2,500 to $5,000 (they will have 12 months to pay the fine or else get deported), special 'pardoned' visas for these people will be issued once the fine is paid and then I would enforce a strict e-verify service from a determined starting point. From this determined starting point no government handout OF ANY KIND will be provided to anyone that is not an American citizen. Student visas, tourist visas and job visas will be harder to obtain. If you are from another country and want to invest in the U.S. you will be placed in front of the line provided you hire Americans and this will be checked.

With my plan there will be losers and winners. Some illegal aliens will undoubtedly self deport. Others wanting to come in will no longer come as the freebies will be taken away. That's it. This is my plan.

How would that get Americans their jobs back if illegal aliens were allowed to remain here? Wouldn't that negate our legal immigration quotas for the next 11-12 years? No criminal history? How about using a fake or stolen SS number to work or working for cash evading taxes? Those are felonies. Is all to be forgiven and rewarded? No, we need e-verify now and it should be used to re-qualify any worker on a payroll currently and any future hires. That will remove the job incentives. Add to that denying them any benefits including birthright citizenship for their kids. That's my plan.


With your plan it will be Americans that are the losers. The winners would be illegal aliens. No thanks!
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:38 AM
 
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Why do we even call it "illegal" anymore, when we just let everyone in? I recently spoke to a border guard from Texas at a family reunion. He told me that they are not allowed to stop anyone, unless they feel threatened. He also informed me that the majority crossing from Mexico were NOT Mexicans trying to feed their families, but muslims and Central American drug dealers. Thank you Obama!
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What exactly is this so-called "reform" anyway? It will always be against the law to come here illegally that won't change nor should it. So someone please explain what it means by our immigration laws being "reformed".
Making it even easier than it already is for people illegally invade our nation and demand that we fund their livelihoods.
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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How would that get Americans their jobs back if illegal aliens were allowed to remain here? Wouldn't that negate our legal immigration quotas for the next 11-12 years? No criminal history? How about using a fake or stolen SS number to work or working for cash evading taxes? Those are felonies. Is all to be forgiven and rewarded? No, we need e-verify now and it should be used to re-qualify any worker on a payroll currently and any future hires. That will remove the job incentives. Add to that denying them any benefits including birthright citizenship for their kids. That's my plan.


With your plan it will be Americans that are the losers. The winners would be illegal aliens. No thanks!
Any plan tied to a reward is a failure. It would be better to just let the criminals stay in the shadows and go after the losers hiring them. Otherwise it's another carrot for more to flood the border.
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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Any plan tied to a reward is a failure. It would be better to just let the criminals stay in the shadows and go after the losers hiring them. Otherwise it's another carrot for more to flood the border.

I couldn't agree more. Add to that denying them any benefits and birthright citizenship for their kids and we'd have this problem down to a trickle.
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Old 06-27-2016, 06:36 AM
 
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What exactly is this so-called "reform" anyway? It will always be against the law to come here illegally that won't change nor should it. So someone please explain what it means by our immigration laws being "reformed".
Well the laws on the books are inadequate and the penalties are light, particularly in the construction industry. Additionally I don't see how anyone can just deport over 10M illegal immigrants.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:05 AM
 
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Well the laws on the books are inadequate and the penalties are light, particularly in the construction industry. Additionally I don't see how anyone can just deport over 10M illegal immigrants.

So you are all for e-verify then? That and enforcing the laws on the books with stiff penalties are what I would call reform. However, those pushing for reform are just calling it that when what they really mean is amnesty. The above and denying benefits and birthright citizenship for children born from illegal alien parents would remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. We could just deport them as it was done before but the former would be the less expensive route and would be more of a deterrant of encouraging more to come.
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:04 AM
 
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So you are all for e-verify then? That and enforcing the laws on the books with stiff penalties are what I would call reform. However, those pushing for reform are just calling it that when what they really mean is amnesty. The above and denying benefits and birthright citizenship for children born from illegal alien parents would remove all of the incentives for them to remain here. We could just deport them as it was done before but the former would be the less expensive route and would be more of a deterrant of encouraging more to come.
I'm all for E-Verify but a rather large majority of small business don't use it, I assume it's because it's time consuming and expensive. Seems like that would place for government support.


The other part of this is the hit to farmers, they would need to find replacements for undocumented workers. Maybe if this was phased in over time it could work.
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Old 06-28-2016, 06:47 AM
 
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Agreed tho I'd make the cut off 20 years or more instead of 7 AND even a jaywalking ticket would earn ANY illegal alien a 1 way trip OUT of the US. IMHO that'd get rid of probably 95 out of a 100 of their kind.


Why Wait? once arrested ,the Illegal has 5 days to produce paperwork. Charge backthe country of origin and reduce aid packages to pay for it.


Just because they are her does not guarantee naturalization.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:02 AM
 
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I'm all for E-Verify but a rather large majority of small business don't use it, I assume it's because it's time consuming and expensive. Seems like that would place for government support.


The other part of this is the hit to farmers, they would need to find replacements for undocumented workers. Maybe if this was phased in over time it could work.

Actually, it is not time consuming or expensive at all. They don't use it because they don't have to and it allows them to get away with hiring illegal aliens. It needs to be mandated in every work place.


Only 2% of illegals are picking crops and there already are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers. But again it's about greed by being able to hire cheap, illegal workers instead.
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