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Old 03-03-2008, 07:08 AM
 
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As EarthMother1951 stated.

I will freely admit it: I used to be much more sympathetic to the illegal immigrants-------till they flew the Mexican flag during their protests 2 years ago.

Something inside me snapped and turned me against those ingrate losers.
Same here. When they call us a racist, it also reveals their racist feelings toward Americans.
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Old 03-03-2008, 10:42 AM
 
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Yep and your problem is your problem, but I would rather be a patriot who loves my country as opposed to someone who is not and loves illegal criminals and hates this country.
That is why I don't buy into your propaganda, I never once said "I love illegals and hate my country". So if you Moderator Cut: personal insult have to make up statement that are false, everything else you stand for I see as false too. Hate mongers are just what they are, hate mongers.

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Old 03-03-2008, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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No I don't think you quite get it. I never said that illegal aliens were not a problem, I have a problem with racist mentality, let me put that in terms you might understand. I have a real dislike for "bullies".
Sassyone – I have a question for you: If you left a window in your house open, and someone entered through the open window –- you catch them, and tell them to leave, but they refuse –- you then call the police and also hire security to guard against future invasions. Would your actions constitute ‘hate-mongering’ or ‘bullying’ or would you be within your ‘rights’ as a homeowner to protect your property?

This is OUR country. The fact that our borders have not been secured, does not entitle foreigners to enter at will, and expect us to receive them with open arms. I am NOT a racist, and the VAST MAJORITY of those opposed to illegal immigration are NOT racists. I will not allow anyone to twist my patriotic motives into something vile to justify their pro-illegal stance.

If you choose to support illegal aliens, that is your prerogative. Likewise, it is my prerogative to oppose them. My opposition has nothing whatsoever to do with race or ethnicity; and no amount of false accusations will alter that, or diminish my resolve to fight this illegal invasion. The 'race card' has expired.
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:12 PM
 
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That is why I don't buy into your propaganda, I never once said "I love illegals and hate my country".
So then, why do you use the term "vigilante?" Ignorance of Minutemen activity or something else?
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So if you Moderator Cut: personal insult have to make up statement that are false,
Priceless. One who calls the Minutemen vigilantes has no room to cry about "false statements."
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everything else you stand for I see as false too.
How on earth can one's principles be false? That doesn't make any sense. You may disagree with one's principles, but that doesn't make them false. Especially the principle of sovereignty, which is and has been well accepted since the dawn of civilization. We might even say that sovereignty is one of those natural rights. Do you disagree with sovereignty, sassy?
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Hate mongers are just what they are, hate mongers.
Brilliant! You've discovered the identity axiom. Mathematicians are rejoicing.

Are you a hate monger, sassy? C'mon now, be honest.

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Old 03-03-2008, 03:33 PM
 
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So then, why do you use the term "vigilante?" Ignorance of Minutemen activity or something else?

Priceless. One who calls the Minutemen vigilantes has no room to cry about "false statements." I know they were asked to leave the area I live in.

How on earth can one's principles be false? That doesn't make any sense. You may disagree with one's principles, but that doesn't make them false. Especially the principle of sovereignty, which is and has been well accepted since the dawn of civilization. We might even say that sovereignty is one of those natural rights. Do you disagree with sovereignty, sassy?

Brilliant! You've discovered the identity axiom. Mathematicians are rejoicing.

Are you a hate monger, sassy? C'mon now, be honest.
I do not hate any race, but I do hate racist mentalities, if that makes me a hate monger so be it.


Many of the minute men are known white supreminists.
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Old 03-03-2008, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Many of the minute men are known white supreminists.
Really?? There are thousands of Minutemen around the country. Define 'many'.

Would Raymond Herrera be a 'white supreminist'?


What about Ted Hayes?
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:03 PM
 
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Sassyone – I have a question for you: If you left a window in your house open, and someone entered through the open window –- you catch them, and tell them to leave, but they refuse –- you then call the police and also hire security to guard against future invasions. Would your actions constitute ‘hate-mongering’ or ‘bullying’ or would you be within your ‘rights’ as a homeowner to protect your property? No it would not and neither would calling the border patrol on an Illegal be either. What you are missing is for one, I have never said we did not have a problem with illegal's. There are several water stations in the desert in Arizona for illegals crossing the desert, as hundreds have died crossing, and many of those stations have been tampered with, so the migrants have no water. I'm very sorry, but illegal or not...I have a problem with people of any race dying. I did not call you a racist, but there are racists on here that stick out like a sore thumb.

This is OUR country. The fact that our borders have not been secured, does not entitle foreigners to enter at will, and expect us to receive them with open arms. I am NOT a racist, and the VAST MAJORITY of those opposed to illegal immigration are NOT racists.
I will not allow anyone to twist my patriotic motives into something vile to justify their pro-illegal stance. You can be as patriotic as you wish, I'm patriotic to my country too, but that does not mean that these people
should be mistreated.
If you choose to support illegal aliens, that is your prerogative. I choose not to hate legals or illegals that is my stance.
Likewise, it is my prerogative to oppose them. My opposition has nothing whatsoever to do with race or ethnicity; and no amount of false accusations will alter that, or diminish my resolve to fight this illegal invasion. The 'race card' has expired.
Another point I have tried to make is that our goverment does not care, in which case they have allowed this to happen for their own agenda. If an Illegal immigrant is killed by an American patriot, that is murder and should be treated as such.
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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If an Illegal immigrant is killed by an American patriot, that is murder and should be treated as such.
Do you have an example of this happening?
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:41 PM
 
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Really?? There are thousands of Minutemen around the country. Define 'many'.

Would Raymond Herrera be a 'white supreminist'?


What about Ted Hayes?
Try this link regarding minutemen Patriots on the Borderline
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Old 03-03-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Try this link regarding minutemen Patriots on the Borderline
Yeah, that's relevant. A five year old article put forth by the oh so benevolent and totally non-partisan Lost Angeles Slimes. The rag du jour of sanctuary city central.

There's some non-biased reporting for you....
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