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Old 02-25-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Missouri of course
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Yes - it is the offical language of law in the United States
No, it is not. It is the National language and not the official language.

 
Old 02-25-2008, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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No, it is not. It is the National language and not the official language.
Please, re-read my post.

I said, English is the official language of LAW in the United States.

And, it is.
 
Old 02-25-2008, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Please, re-read my post.

I said, English is the official language of LAW in the United States.

And, it is.
He is right and he is wrong.

Our Laws are written in English and Latin and Roman and many other languages. But I do beleive that "English" Should be the foundation of our Country.

When I buy a product such as a tool that has owners manual with it, I make it a point to rip out any none English parts and give it back to the store clerk. Then I tell them "if I can't read it then I don't need it" and you can have it back, Thank you. I've done that infront of spanish speaking folks and have gotten some real nasty looks. But I guess when you stand over 6 ft. and weigh around 250 pounds not too many people have the gull to say anything.
 
Old 02-25-2008, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Brunswick, ME (Hometown: Newark, N.J.)
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Ummm...wait. This is America...should the official language be English? I'm confused...
 
Old 02-25-2008, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Where there is too much snow!
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Cool Well yes

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Ummm...wait. This is America...should the official language be English? I'm confused...
Well yes in a way you could say that, but you need to remember something.

1) How many cultures make up our country?

2) How many languages are there that help formed ours?

3) In all of the Law books, Medical books, English Lit. books and so on and so on do you find words from other cultures and from other times that make up the English language?

Now please don't get me wrong, I do beleive that whom ever comes to this country should learn the English language first and not the other way around.
And for Heaven sakes please don't change our National Anthem to suit your own purpose. But above all, "become an American Citizen" and DENOUNCE your FORMER home. Serve in our military (8 yrs minimum, Honorably) and be willing to fight and die for her before you can get your American citizenship, male and females alike. If you don't want to do any of these things, well then go back to where you came from and stay there, thank you very much!
 
Old 02-25-2008, 08:41 PM
 
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PL - my point mentioning contracts is, only ENGLISH language is enforceable in the courts BY LAW.

It is called, the UCC - The Uniform Commercial Code - which BTW is FEDERAL

There are many other examples PL
I don't know if that is literally written as the official language - but I couldn't imagine why it wouldn't be. There might not actually be - but it really wouldn't make a difference. We all know how it is. English is the only language that legally matters in this country. Surely, there are other languages (not just Spanish) that do mean a lot - but most of the citizens don't know it. And even if they did, it's still very likely English is their primary language.

Language like any thing else is a form of social structure - definitely in it's most advanced elements. Basically, it's a matter of just everyone following the same pattern. And in this country, as you noted - is the only enforcable language. It's really the only language that matters (especially in the long run). And that isn't just true in the United States, but for the world. It's definitely become the universal language, especially with the dissolving of small languages every day.
 
Old 02-25-2008, 09:00 PM
 
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A) Walmart is not a/the problem - they carry the same products many, many, many other national retailers carry

B) Prices will not go up 30% - that is bogus

C) American companies are paying minimum wages - AND MORE

D) We do not need the illegal immigrants.

Case closed
You're right, Walmart isn't a problem. Big retail chains will always exist. Supply and demand is what determines the prices in our economy. Illegal immigration doesn't have a whole lot to do with that. Although it effects wages sometimes, it usually only effects those who do the worst jobs with the weakest unions. If those Americans don't want to get the raw end of a deal, they're equally as much to blame as the employers and the immigrants. They shouldn't make themselves so vulnerable. That means either go to college or work your ass off, prove your work ethic and get a half-way decent job. Most blue-collared whites do this, even though the illegal immigrants give them what they'd consider ''unnecessary competition.'' However, inner-city blacks are really screwed.

If you have a criminal record and no high-school degree, no one will want to hire you. Every company has all that hard data on an American citizen. Even if that illegal immigrant matches that same criteria, no one will ever know because research isn't done on them and these companies know they can get more out of the illegals for a lower wage. We all know employers base on stereotype too. And in the blue-collared field, they hate when people whine. They like to get the most out of their employees for the lowest price. It might sound unpatriotic, but it's smart economically. To them and most, money means more than pride.

And I agree, we don't need illegal immigrants. I agree in every way. However, this goes much deeper than what guy in the city is getting the construction work in 2008. The government would tell you the same thing, but I hope you don't believe that. They want these illegal immigrants because they know their children are American as birth. They're willing to tough out this generation just like a MLB baseball team is willing to be patient with a minor league prospect. This is their ticket to a larger population - which they believe is the answer for the continuance of being a superpower.

All of us Americans will learn the hard way that even if we have the same or more international power, we'll use up all our resources and our economy will largely continue to fall behind the rest of the world. I don't know why people don't get so angered at the possibility of having 428 million people in 2050, when it's obvious that we can't even take care of many of the 303.5 million citizens we have now.

I'm right there with you that illegal immigration isn't healthy though. My reasoning is much different than the typical American who's answer is as simple as thinking it's ''just wrong.'' Even the government would agree with that statement for the day, but not the long run. And if there is one group that would disagree with that statement, it's the Mexican government - because they love dumping them on us. It stabilizes their economy and prevents a continually overwhelming population growth. There is just too many corrupt political components that go into all this.
 
Old 02-25-2008, 09:09 PM
 
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English is the OFFICIAL LEGAL language of the United States

We will see a Constitutional Amendment, in the near future, to make English, the official language of all governmental business.

And, quit your profanities PL - shows your immaturity
Even if we had a constitutional ammendment that said this, would this really matter? Does every country in this world who has a document similar to the Constitution enstate this? It's just not necessary. It would be done more so to giving immigrants (both legal and illegal) an unnecessary smack in the face, than it would to protect the English language as the official language of our country. And even if that weren't entirely true, the liberal media would powefully push that insinuation - so I really doubt we'll see much change.

I don't care what this city in Texas says though. Legal documents are still probably in English. It doesn't mean there isn't a bilingual taste, but there is no threat to English not being the primary language of our country. It's not even because people like the language, but rather they could never learn another one. Plus, the whole world is pushing towards speaking English more. How often is it that English is revoked from the status?
 
Old 02-25-2008, 09:11 PM
 
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You took the Lords name in vain. Profanity
I'll be sarcastic here. What lord? lol Just like that controversial issue of linguistics is also a big question about religion. I'm sure there's a lot worse he could say than that though, right?
 
Old 02-25-2008, 09:34 PM
 
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Well yes in a way you could say that, but you need to remember something.

1) How many cultures make up our country?

2) How many languages are there that help formed ours?

3) In all of the Law books, Medical books, English Lit. books and so on and so on do you find words from other cultures and from other times that make up the English language?

Now please don't get me wrong, I do beleive that whom ever comes to this country should learn the English language first and not the other way around.
And for Heaven sakes please don't change our National Anthem to suit your own purpose. But above all, "become an American Citizen" and DENOUNCE your FORMER home. Serve in our military (8 yrs minimum, Honorably) and be willing to fight and die for her before you can get your American citizenship, male and females alike. If you don't want to do any of these things, well then go back to where you came from and stay there, thank you very much!
You're right. So many cultures have made up ours. I just learned in detail about the French word denouement's literary terminology in my college English class this morning. It isn't fair to neglect other culture elements of our society. I'd propose saying that ''American English'' would be a better definition, but I doubt that'd probably sound stupid. It's just like the Spanish spoken in much of Latin America. It's different than Spain. And Quebec's French is much different than Spain. It's almost like the French you'd hear spoken in the seventeenth century.

I wouldn't say ''denounce'' is the right word for immigrants should do to their former countries. Forgetting may be a better word, but it'd still be valuable to hold onto good increments of their culture.
Bilingualism, religion and culinary skills in the family are great examples of this. As long as it doesn't created an isolated social division. Whether they like it or not though, if they choose America - they should adapt to our Americanism. However, if you are a legal immigrant in this country - it isn't correct for any of us to assume that they're interested in our citizenship. This is an individualized thing. Adapting to Americanism doesn't require citizenship though ; just like if we were to move internationally it'd be our job to adapt to other's culture. So I wouldn't tell anyone to go back to where they came from - because I doubt other countries are saying that to Americans (even if they think it). Usually, Mexican immigrants want citizenship, but many others don't. They're simply here to make money.

It would be nice to see more American citizens and those who desire American citizenship participate more in their government. That's why I liked some of the ideas Governor Huckabee and Senator Obama offered. That is a big reason why I may consider joining the Peace Corps after college. For how the military has been improperly used since March 19th, 2003 though, you'd have to really want our citizenship really bad - and I mean really bad, to join the military. Many teenage Americans would probably voluntarily give up their citizenship after what George W. Bush has done to this country, especially if they knew they could continuing residing here. Most Mexican immigrants are convinced they'll get there (if not, there kids), so they wouldn't do it. You don't have to be a citizen of this country to live the American dream economically though.

Here is what I say to those immigrants who don't want to legitimately remain who love where they come from more or the same as America. Apply for dual citizenship. It might not be that easy and could be expensive if you own property in both countries, but if you believe containing who you really are - it's a great idea. Almost every country in this world participates in this.
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