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Old 07-21-2016, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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With Hillary saying she'll give amnesty in her first 100 mythical days in office, the numbers increase. That was probably a "token" amount of what is coming in right now that were apprehended.

The house up the street just bought 3 minivans and 1 has been gone a few days. I suspect to see new faces in the neighborhood any day, and of course, there goes more funds for our elderly and disabled.

I have watched this in AZ in the 90s and in KS where I am currently. Every time they talk amnesty, the population starts increasing.

I'm SO sick of it!
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The others than the half from Mexico are from Honduras, followed by Guatemala.

The Border is essentially open now, it is terrible. Obama and his administration did this. We need a new policy and soon!
The Border and U.S. are no longer Sovereign. Only hope is Trump/Pence win in November or the country will be ruined.
Illegal immigration peaked in 2008, it's been declining since that time. Deportations were up under Obama, 409,000 in 2012 declining to present level.


What new policy do you want?
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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Illegal immigration peaked in 2008, it's been declining since that time. Deportations were up under Obama, 409,000 in 2012 declining to present level.


What new policy do you want?

It's been increasing by those coming from Central America. Deportations were not up under Obama he was counting those turned around at the border as deportations. He also gave millions of them a stay of deportation under DACA and DAPA. As long as there are still millions of illegal aliens here any so-called declines doesn't mean a thing.


Just enforce the laws on the books. However, if we removed all of the incentives for them to remain here and completed the 700 mile wall on the most porous areas of our border already approved by congress I would consider that a new and good policy.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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All we need to do is enforce our current immigration laws. That isn't being done, or at least not rigorously. No welfare for illegals, no schools for children of illegals. No work for illegals and prison for those who hire illegals. Deport those who came illegally. Take away incentives from illegals, and from employers.

Something more to consider. Our waters. Illegals can get in through the Gulf of Mexico. Alot of Haitian illegals have gone into Florida this way. Key West isn't that far away from Mexico or Guatemala. If illegals from Guatemala are willing to trek up through Mexico to get to Texas(1300 miles), what is to deter someone from sailing from Cancun to Key West, about 350-400 nautical miles?
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Old 07-25-2016, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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All we need to do is enforce our current immigration laws. That isn't being done, or at least not rigorously. No welfare for illegals, no schools for children of illegals. No work for illegals and prison for those who hire illegals. Deport those who came illegally. Take away incentives from illegals, and from employers.

Something more to consider. Our waters. Illegals can get in through the Gulf of Mexico. Alot of Haitian illegals have gone into Florida this way. Key West isn't that far away from Mexico or Guatemala. If illegals from Guatemala are willing to trek up through Mexico to get to Texas(1300 miles), what is to deter someone from sailing from Cancun to Key West, about 350-400 nautical miles?
You are right Sir. We that are law enforcement are ready to bring the Sovereign Border Back! But, our hands are tied right now, there is no support for Law Enforcement or Border Patrol because of the President and the administration in Washington DC. It is a shame. We need a change in policies to be able to do our jobs!!!
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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It's been increasing by those coming from Central America. Deportations were not up under Obama he was counting those turned around at the border as deportations. He also gave millions of them a stay of deportation under DACA and DAPA. As long as there are still millions of illegal aliens here any so-called declines doesn't mean a thing.


Just enforce the laws on the books. However, if we removed all of the incentives for them to remain here and completed the 700 mile wall on the most porous areas of our border already approved by congress I would consider that a new and good policy.
This was an excellent article regarding the wall and the opinions of some of the ranchers on the Arizona border. I feel for them, they shouldn't have to put up with this. There are no easy answers and as the article states, drugs and cheap labor are driving the problem.


Like you stated gang activity and lawlessness in Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua have increased immigration while Mexico has decreased. All DACA and DAPA did was provide some logical sense to deportations.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/us...hers.html?_r=0
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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All we need to do is enforce our current immigration laws. That isn't being done, or at least not rigorously. No welfare for illegals, no schools for children of illegals. No work for illegals and prison for those who hire illegals. Deport those who came illegally. Take away incentives from illegals, and from employers.

Something more to consider. Our waters. Illegals can get in through the Gulf of Mexico. Alot of Haitian illegals have gone into Florida this way. Key West isn't that far away from Mexico or Guatemala. If illegals from Guatemala are willing to trek up through Mexico to get to Texas(1300 miles), what is to deter someone from sailing from Cancun to Key West, about 350-400 nautical miles?

We need to take it one step further and stop the PC practice of deeming their kids born on our soil birthright citizens. They tap into our welfare coffers through them. What you have suggested along with this will leave them with no means to support themselves and they'll leave on their own.


We do have a Coast Guard that could help deter them from coming in by boat.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:40 PM
 
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This was an excellent article regarding the wall and the opinions of some of the ranchers on the Arizona border. I feel for them, they shouldn't have to put up with this. There are no easy answers and as the article states, drugs and cheap labor are driving the problem.


Like you stated gang activity and lawlessness in Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua have increased immigration while Mexico has decreased. All DACA and DAPA did was provide some logical sense to deportations.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/us...hers.html?_r=0

There was no logical sense in not enforcing our immigration laws and giving illegal aliens work permits.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:40 PM
 
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This was an excellent article regarding the wall and the opinions of some of the ranchers on the Arizona border. I feel for them, they shouldn't have to put up with this. There are no easy answers and as the article states, drugs and cheap labor are driving the problem.


Like you stated gang activity and lawlessness in Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua have increased immigration while Mexico has decreased. All DACA and DAPA did was provide some logical sense to deportations.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/us...hers.html?_r=0
Logical sense to deportations? It's called locking up ANY known illegal alien till their cases are heard in court; if it takes years, it is what it is. Their kind can always go home if they don't wanna wait.
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Old 07-26-2016, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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All we need to do is enforce our current immigration laws. That isn't being done, or at least not rigorously. No welfare for illegals, no schools for children of illegals. No work for illegals and prison for those who hire illegals. Deport those who came illegally. Take away incentives from illegals, and from employers.

Something more to consider. Our waters. Illegals can get in through the Gulf of Mexico. Alot of Haitian illegals have gone into Florida this way. Key West isn't that far away from Mexico or Guatemala. If illegals from Guatemala are willing to trek up through Mexico to get to Texas(1300 miles), what is to deter someone from sailing from Cancun to Key West, about 350-400 nautical miles?
OK, except schooling for children of illegals IS current law, has been since 1982. Plyler vs. Doe. Like other children, undocumented (don't shoot the messenger, that's the term used in the case) students are obliged under state law to attend school until they reach a mandated age. That IS current immigration law. I know it drives folks nuts when I bring it up but so many seem to think this is some new thing "under Obama" and it's not.
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