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Old 02-18-2008, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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It seems like to me that the pro - immigration corporate and political elitists are drawing a picture of America in the future, the way they want it and to resist is futile. To them, national boundaries do not really exist and that we inevitably will have to be a completely intertwined economic global community. The West has ceased to grow population wise, and their thirst for money and power needs to be replenished no matter what cost. They feel they have the moral authority because, there are alot of poor people who will benefit from their plan. Never mind the fact that the first thing they forced the Bush Administration to do in his first days in office, was to immediately cut funding to global family planning programs. These programs where causing the birth rates in poor countries to drop presipitously. Wouldn't it help these people if they had fewer children, so they could more easily provide for them? This proves that all they want are more people because it equals more $$$$, they could care less if these people are starving. They don't realize that culturally, the West will be the only ones who suffer in their plan, or do they care? They have their own culture up there in the clouds that will never be challenged. In 50 years, will China loose their numerical majority in their own country? How about India, Mexico, Nigeria or the Philippines? They will not, and while their society improves economically they will always have their cultural homeland. The West will turn into a multicultural mess, where the different ethnic/racial groups will hate each other, but who cares, because they will always keep shopping. There will be some mixing, but with the continued massive immigration we are experiencing it won't matter much, because America will end up with some sort of racial hierarchy, like exists in Brazil. Who will fare the worst in this debocle of a future we will have? The Blacks. They won't even have Africa to count on because Africans shun them and coin them as decendants of "cotton pickers" etc.. Some one please convince me that I am wrong, because this is not a world I want my children to have to see.

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Old 02-18-2008, 10:04 PM
 
Location: California
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Let me guess.. you saw Zeitgeist?
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Old 02-19-2008, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It seems like to me that the pro - immigration corporate and political elitists are drawing a picture of America in the future, the way they want it and to resist is futile. To them, national boundaries do not really exist and that we inevitably will have to be a completely intertwined economic global community. The West has ceased to grow population wise, and their thirst for money and power needs to be replenished no matter what cost. They feel they have the moral authority because, there are alot of poor people who will benefit from their plan. Never mind the fact that the first thing they forced the Bush Administration to do in his first days in office, was to immediately cut funding to global family planning programs. These programs where causing the birth rates in poor countries to drop presipitously. Wouldn't it help these people if they had fewer children, so they could more easily provide for them? This proves that all they want are more people because it equals more $$$$, they could care less if these people are starving. They don't realize that culturally, the West will be the only ones who suffer in their plan, or do they care? They have their own culture up there in the clouds that will never be challenged. In 50 years, will China loose their numerical majority in their own country? How about India, Mexico, Nigeria or the Philippines? They will not, and while their society improves economically they will always have their cultural homeland. The West will turn into a multicultural mess, where the different ethnic/racial groups will hate each other, but who cares, because they will always keep shopping. There will be some mixing, but with the continued massive immigration we are experiencing it won't matter much, because America will end up with some sort of racial hierarchy, like exists in Brazil. Who will fare the worst in this debocle of a future we will have? The Blacks. They won't even have Africa to count on because Africans shun them and coin them as decendants of "cotton pickers" etc.. Some one please convince me that I am wrong, because this is not a world I want my children to have to see.
In a nutshell: the tide is starting to turn against the multiculturalists, etc.

Our Employer Sanctions Law here in Arizona is in no small part making life a living hell for illegal immigrants along with their enablers, etc
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Old 02-19-2008, 07:34 AM
 
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This "inevitability" idea drives me nuts. It is NOT inevitable that we merge the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. It is NOT inevitable that more and more illegals will come over the border, and that the hispanics will rule the country in a few more years, because of the illegals' offspring.

I always see these articles in the newspapers about how our country will be in the future - how it's going to be mostly hispanic, etc. WHY? If that's so, why isn't our government stopping it? Do they LIKE this hispanicization of America? Is this what we leave our children and grandchildren?

I know that the American people are finally waking up, particularly when they saw those illegals march last year for their "rights", of which they have none except to be deported.

So, it's a question, I think, of how far the American people will go, and how long it will take them to take over the government so that We the People will rule and decide for ourselves what kind of country we want - not what the elitists want.

It's starting, but these things take so long - 10 years ago, organizations were talking about this issue (chiefly, FAIR), but nobody was listening. Now, people are listening, but they've lost 10 years in denying the problem.
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Old 02-19-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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This "inevitability" idea drives me nuts. It is NOT inevitable that we merge the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. It is NOT inevitable that more and more illegals will come over the border, and that the hispanics will rule the country in a few more years, because of the illegals' offspring.

I always see these articles in the newspapers about how our country will be in the future - how it's going to be mostly hispanic, etc. WHY? If that's so, why isn't our government stopping it? Do they LIKE this hispanicization of America? Is this what we leave our children and grandchildren?

I know that the American people are finally waking up, particularly when they saw those illegals march last year for their "rights", of which they have none except to be deported.

So, it's a question, I think, of how far the American people will go, and how long it will take them to take over the government so that We the People will rule and decide for ourselves what kind of country we want - not what the elitists want.

It's starting, but these things take so long - 10 years ago, organizations were talking about this issue (chiefly, FAIR), but nobody was listening. Now, people are listening, but they've lost 10 years in denying the problem.


Well I can tell you this brother (or sister), bet on the fact that I will NEVER stop fighting this insanity.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:09 PM
 
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This "inevitability" idea drives me nuts. It is NOT inevitable that we merge the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. It is NOT inevitable that more and more illegals will come over the border, and that the hispanics will rule the country in a few more years, because of the illegals' offspring.

I always see these articles in the newspapers about how our country will be in the future - how it's going to be mostly hispanic, etc. WHY? If that's so, why isn't our government stopping it? Do they LIKE this hispanicization of America? Is this what we leave our children and grandchildren?

I know that the American people are finally waking up, particularly when they saw those illegals march last year for their "rights", of which they have none except to be deported.

So, it's a question, I think, of how far the American people will go, and how long it will take them to take over the government so that We the People will rule and decide for ourselves what kind of country we want - not what the elitists want.

It's starting, but these things take so long - 10 years ago, organizations were talking about this issue (chiefly, FAIR), but nobody was listening. Now, people are listening, but they've lost 10 years in denying the problem.
Well we live in a capitalistic society where business rules and governmental control by way of closed economic borders and restricted trade is limited if not removed = free trade. I do not condone entirely but that is just part of this capitalist society vs. closed borders i.e. governmental control of not only restriced trade outside our borders but also restrictions on how you and I live our everyday lives. In other words, you either support the capitalist view or the socialist or worse case communist agenda. We here in the US want the capitalist agenda where freedom reigns not only in rights but in trade (lower prices). We also want control when we feel things are out of hand - we want our cake and to eat it too. Unfortunately once the capitalist wheels are turning you cannot turn back. Free trade, lower prices and overall freedom to live one's life as they chose all have their consequences good and bad. The real question is what insanity do you chose to fight at this point and what freedoms are you willing to give up?
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:24 PM
 
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Well we live in a capitalistic society where business rules and governmental control by way of closed economic borders and restricted trade is limited if not removed = free trade. I do not condone entirely but that is just part of this capitalist society vs. closed borders i.e. governmental control of not only restriced trade outside our borders but also restrictions on how you and I live our everyday lives. In other words, you either support the capitalist view or the socialist or worse case communist agenda. We here in the US want the capitalist agenda where freedom reigns not only in rights but in trade (lower prices). We also want control when we feel things are out of hand - we want our cake and to eat it too. Unfortunately once the capitalist wheels are turning you cannot turn back. Free trade, lower prices and overall freedom to live one's life as they chose all have their consequences good and bad. The real question is what insanity do you chose to fight at this point and what freedoms are you willing to give up?
Our economy is one of regulated capitalism, not laissez-faire. The middle class was built when protections came into place. Removing these protections will destroy the middle class.

There is a big difference between freedom and anarchy. What we are seeing now with regard to immigration is anarchy. What we are seeing is our freedom to determine who can enter our country destroyed. I don't have the freedom to enter your house at my will. Doing so would be a violation of your freedom.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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This "inevitability" idea drives me nuts. It is NOT inevitable that we merge the U.S., Canada, and Mexico. It is NOT inevitable that more and more illegals will come over the border, and that the hispanics will rule the country in a few more years, because of the illegals' offspring.
But there's a problem. It is inevitable. As long as Mexicans can make more money here, they will move here. Just like if people in New Jersey can get a bigger house for less money in North Carolina, they will move there.

It's one of the less glorified side effects of capitalism. No nation exists in a vacuum.

There are two sure-fire solutions to the immigration problem. One is to subsidize Mexico so people can make as good a living there as here. The other is to make America as poor as Mexico so Mexicans wouldn't be any better off coming here. Who's for either one?
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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But there's a problem. It is inevitable. As long as Mexicans can make more money here, they will move here. Just like if people in New Jersey can get a bigger house for less money in North Carolina, they will move there.

It's one of the less glorified side effects of capitalism. No nation exists in a vacuum.

There are two sure-fire solutions to the immigration problem. One is to subsidize Mexico so people can make as good a living there as here. The other is to make America as poor as Mexico so Mexicans wouldn't be any better off coming here. Who's for either one?
And the third option is to punish employers, landlords, etc. who knowingly hire/rent to illegal immigrants---------my state of Arizona (Employer Sanctions Law) as well as Oklahoma both come to mind.
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:04 PM
 
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Nothing is inevitable except taxes and death. Eevrything else is up for grabs and the stronger will prevail.The last immigration bill was defeated because of the e-mails and telephone calls to representatives. That's representative government at work.
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