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Old 02-21-2008, 02:02 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Senator Palpatein View Post
ProLogic,

You too seem like you spend most of your free time watching Tv and partying. Focused on Britney's next fiasco.

Do you realize the vast majority of these kids will have absolutely no career prospects whatsoever!?

We're in the 21st century - you've got to have knowledge and valuable skills in cutting edge industries to make any decent money. And you've got to be damn good or else some kid from Asia will have your job outsourced to him or her. Who the heck is going to want to hire some ex-con, barely can speak English or write it kid?

In fact, many of these kids can barely write or properly speak even Spanish!

And it's a badge of honor to them - it's cool to them.

They're not going to all snap one day and decide to go to college and "act white". Going to school and college, "that's acting white and according to them that's not cool" remember?

We're not talking about a few hundred or thousand kids here, we're talking at least half of the population - AT LEAST!

Then you have all the "pro mexico" activism and hanging mexican flags over American flags, plus groups like LaRaza, Mecha and other Azatlan groups - how can you can not see what's about to happen?
Okay, get over Spears and Hilton. And stop labeling everyone as a bunch of partying hooligans, just because we disagree with you. You're semi-Neo-Nazism isn't necessarily giving the best first-impression, okay?

Financial AID will provide those kids college education. They'll go to college and polarize from their parents. They'll move out to suburbs and become nurses, accounts, teachers and what ever else you can think of. What do you think this is 1856? It's like you believe if one's parent is a piece of crap, than they're subjected to that life too. That isn't how life is today. If that were true, they wouldn't come here. They know they're giving their child the gift of the mainstream educated modern world when coming here. Go ahead and believe their the gang banging drug-dealing monsters though. If you're not too far from Hollywood, create a movie about it. I'll promise I won't pay more than seven bucks to get in there though lol


''And you've got to be damn good or else some kid from Asia will have your job outsourced to him or her.''

I do agree with that assertion, but there are plenty of jobs that exist in this country that are done my Americans. Most of our country is middle class and doing just fine. Blame the big corporations for this. Whether you like it or not, we're apart of a global economy. Blame the international community all you want and see how far that goes. The last thing those big businesses would want is to depend on Americans, because than there businesses would crash quicker than Americans will.

''In fact, many of these kids can barely write or properly speak even Spanish!

And it's a badge of honor to them - it's cool to them.''

This is the kind of quote as to why I called you a bigot and semi-Neo-Nazi. But hey, I might actually giving you a complement - so no need to say thank you.


''They're not going to all snap one day and decide to go to college and "act white". '' Um, what world are you living in dude? lol That's exactly what immigrants do. They kiss up to white people. They marry them. They imitate them. There kids become them. That's how it is. Maybe the few bad boys you ran into in your day aren't representative of this, but maybe you need to open up your eyes a little wider. I got those things people used to dry their clothes with if your eyes get tired (maybe your illegal immigrant best friends still use them).

We're not talking about a few hundred or thousand kids here, we're talking at least half of the population - AT LEAST!

Any proof?

Then you have all the "pro mexico" activism and hanging mexican flags over American flags, plus groups like LaRaza, Mecha and other Azatlan groups - how can you can not see what's about to happen?

Well, the better question is how to get them to even know Aztlan or groups like that exist. And how to get bigots like yourself to stop believing it. It might shock you, but plenty are waving American flags. Every non-citizen immigrants are fighting the useless war in Iraq now. They're dying in aspiring to becoming citizens of our declining nation quicker. Personally, I become a little weary of waving my flag (especially when not in this country) because of people like yourself.

 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:06 AM
 
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I think in about 20 years or less we're gonna have a "Kosovo" situation here in the southwest.
I don't even know how to react to that kind of statement. Well my eyes are getting tired of looing at this box, but I don't think any ''Kosovo'' will be coming any time soon. Don't worry. That could make a good magazine, book, science fiction or movie though. You're talking about a world superpower will millions of citizens - versus a weak government with people who really don't give a crap about the southwest. Mexico has enough land for people to live on - they just don't got the resources to allocate to people. If there is any kind of Kosovo in our country, it'd probably be Americans being sick of our government at a national level. Maybe that us Americans will start becoming more intelligent, open our eyes a little bit and maybe even immigrate to other countries like how a traditional immigrant does.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:07 AM
 
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I don't think that much will change. They may have more power when it comes to voting, but that's it.

Where I live whites are already the minority. Nobody seems to notice or even care. People's lives go on just like they normally would.
Well said. And the more years go on, the more true this statement will be true. Getting a close-minded Neo-Nazi like the dude we been arguing with to understand this though is another thing. Personally, I think there are another dilemmes he's battling right now.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:16 AM
 
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To RocketPower:

Social interactions are dynamic, in constant flux. Not 100% across the board every area will be a bad spot. However as their population reaches critical mass the overall picture will be a majority demographic who's mad as hell because they can't afford nice cars and homes in nice neighborhoods. They'll be envious of you, rich gringo. They'll resent you while their camarades must labor in the hot sun all their lives. They're going to be easily swayed by "pro latino" rhetoric just as they are in latin America. They'll be easily swayed by communist rhetoric just as they are in latin America. Do some research on latino gangs, check out their "brown power" website, discussion boards, youtube videos, gang-videos, check out LaRaza, Azatlan, Mecha - IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES.

It will be like taking the "blue matrix pill" that'll let you see what's really on the horizon.
Okay, why would their children not live like him though? As I said before, this isn't 1856. They'd be sharing the same highly funded public-schools and colleges. Maybe he'll marry the daughter of those immigrants. Will there be some magic spell on him and the other millions of participants? lol No one is going to live like their parents if their parents didn't like well. What don't you understand about this? Or do you understand this and neglect it on purpose so you could try to press your immigrant hatred on others?

There is no pro-Latino anything. Beyond that not existing in this country, it doesn't exist in Latin America. Why would it? Each country sees themselves upon their individual culture. They're no more united than we are with Russia. Each has their own nationality, way of speaking the language, currency, culture and everything. Obviously though, you wouldn't want to tell people that side of the story because it might refute your bigoted point of view, right?

By the way my bright political scientist, the only Communist nation in Latin America is Cuba. There is a difference between communism and Socialism. Europe and Canada have forms of social integrated into their societies too and they seem to be doing a lot better than us. Personally, I'm sick and tired of paying for this war - and would rather not be paying for my health care or college. A lot of countries in Latin America got money - the problem is that it's not equally distributed and allocated across the countries. In a way, kind of like this country - except not as bad.

''Do some research on latino gangs, check out their "brown power" website, discussion boards, youtube videos, gang-videos, check out LaRaza, Azatlan, Mecha - IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES.''

um, and? I could do some reseach on white power too. Quite frankly, they're more common and spread out around this country and freak the crap out of me much more than them. I hope I don't see your name on there lists lol If I do though, I won't have to open my eyes up that wide.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:19 AM
 
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You've been listening to too much Mike Savage.
True, maybe he'll become Mike Savage Jr. lol I'm sure this guy could give us an interesting lecture on how the United States will be speaking Arabic if Barack Obama is president. lol
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:33 AM
 
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To ArizonaBear:

Actually the fertility rate has reduced in Mexico, true. However that fertility rate is sky high here in the US. I don't have stats at the moment. Also, if you do some networking, you'll hear people report from their areas ALL OVER THE USA that illegals are averaging 4 kids minimum - AT LEAST!

My area is overrun and the three towns near where I live are filling up with them. You see those women everywhere, pregnant with at least 4 kids. On average you see about 5 kids. That's the same reports from all over the country. They're hellbent on reconquest. There's been plenty of "baby boom" stories and reports where most major hospitals are reporting 40-50% of the babies there probably belong to illegals.

As for state laws, so Arizona got rid of most of their illegals. Big deal. Those illegals will just move to another US state. And once Arizona goes through a couple of election cycles, another politician will invite them all back. It's just a matter of time. There's a lot of turncoats here in America. Plus ... you have to factor in what the Presidential candidates will do for this situation.

One more thing ... many illegals are flooding in from other latin America (south America, central American) countries which are jam packed with tens of millions of uneducated, poor, desperate people ready to flood into America.

''My area is overrun and the three towns near where I live are filling up with them. You see those women everywhere, pregnant with at least 4 kids. On average you see about 5 kids.''

Your eyes might not be the best resources. I doubt you're having conversations with any of these women. Maybe you got cataract and need a new psychological approach. Your town is not America. And your town may not be what your town actually is. I guarantee I could talk to someone with the same education level and background as yourself in your neighborhood and they'd be much more sensible, mild and believe more of what I have to say than Hal Turner Jr (you).

Still though, you lack resources. Hearsay is crap and you know that. They aren't hellbent on anything, because they don't even know about it? They aren't educated or informed enough to be participating in any political movement? How many Americans of this background, nonetheless not of this background have even ever heard of anything you've talked about? This doesn't have anything to do with the media. Even within inner circles. I've conversed with a lot of people of all different backgrounds who are sane and none say this. However, people are constantly terrified of Muslims in the Middle East for what ever reasons the media injects into them. If you think you're little fear of Aztlan holds anything to that, you must be kidding yourself.

Plus, even if they did have babies at what ever rates - they follow the jus soli provisionary. They're citizens at birth. They'll help accumulate out middle-class abundance, keep blacks economically behind as the resources will be intended to them and our military will contain the same or a larger population. Out of anyone really, the government is benefiting the most out of both legal and illegal Mexican immigration. They're grooming their left handed pitcher who throws 95 mph. Mexico's garbage is America's golden ticket. Remember that.

''One more thing ... many illegals are flooding in from other latin America (south America, central American) countries which are jam packed with tens of millions of uneducated, poor, desperate people ready to flood into America.''

Tum-Ta-Tum-Tum ... sorry, but I had to do something to interrupt this annoying continuance. What's your point? Most actually are legal. Getting across 10 borders isn't as easy as one. It'd be pretty hard flying illegally too. And if they were lucky enough to into Guatemala and Mexico, they know less about the geography than we do - so I doubt they'd get in. If you're proposing than they don't renew their visas, that's a problem for a lot of immigrants worldwide - but isn't overwhelming. Regardless of legal or illegal, simply mesh jus soli, demands of assimilation (especially economically and educationally) nationwide (and especially in affluent areas) and everything I've described - and all will prove to be why my theory is more sensible.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:44 AM
 
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I wonder how we white anglo saxon Americans would feel if one day we were the minority? We could not live except in certain areas with our own kind. We always had to prove ourselves to fit into where society thinks we belong. Where we are not judged for the individual we are, but how the majority see's us. I don't think that shoe on the other foot would be all that comfortable.
''I wonder how we white anglo saxon Americans would feel if one day we were the minority?''

Well, a lot of us on here aren't apart of that bold ''we.'' Don't you technically have to be an English-descended Protestant to qualify as an Anglo-Saxson? Well, most of Americans including those of English and part-English descent are too stupid to know what nationality they actually are. In fact, it seems like it's much easier to meet African-Americans with English surnames like Smith and Jones rather than ''Anglo-Saxsons.'' Being white doesn't qualify for that, unless of course you curve the definition.

They'd technically only be 10 percent of the country anyway. Think about it this way. About 60 percent of America is ''general white.'' 69% is European and Middle-Eastern American. About one percent is Middle Eastern, one percent is Greek and one percent is Russian. Two percent is Jewish (some is mixed into Russian, Polish and other stuff). About 4 percent is Italian (only 11 million marked themselves as this - even though the government ignorantly assumed another 4.6 million people were).

Like less than a half a percent is of other uncommon Eastern European ethnic groups, Portuguese, ect. Just because you don't see or hear about it, doesn't equate to them being ''Anglo's.'' And if that were the case, than you'd be exactly proving my point that people of Latin American descent will just be socially added into that ''general white'' categorization I just described. That 60% isn't an overwhelming majority anyway. Remember, white is a social construction. And so is ''Anglo-Saxson'', ''Anglo'', ''Caucasian'' or what ever junk we could come up with.

You're right though, it would be awkward for some to handle if things were to give a change. However, the new immigrants are the new whites. They'll be living under those whites laws. You don't have to be the majority to do be the social power icon. History could tell you that. The rules have been written. Technically, an ongoing Mexican and Latin American immigration trend would make this country much more Roman Catholic - but would that really matter? No. Even if this country were to technically become more Catholic than Protestant, no one would acknowledge Catholicism anymore than Protestant denominations at a national level.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:50 AM
 
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Absolutely Incorrect.

Check CDC vital statistics
General Fertility Rate: the average number of children a woman has in her lifetime
White: 1.9
Asian: 1.9
Black: 2.1
Hispanic: 2.8
-----Mexican: 3.1
-----Puerto Rican: 2.0
-----Cuban: 1.7
-----Other Latin: 2.8
Good research. All that doesn't shock me. The reason why is because Mexican and ''other Latin'' are foreign. I believe Mexico's fertility rates are at average 2.4%, but it goes back to the point I made about the poorest from Mexico coming to this country. We all know that the poorer you are the more likely your fertility rates are to be higher for educational and economical reasoning.

Those of Puerto Rican and Cuban descent have already been assimilated into the mainstream American societies in which they live. And in Cubans circumstance, they've done even better than much of the population - as they've often arrived to this country well-education and middle to upper middle class from their former societies. And considering how expensive south Florida is, it doesn't shock me as to why there fertility rates are actually lower than the European-American populations. Ironically, we wouldn't consider them to be Euro-American normally, yet they often are well-aware of their Spaniard roots and 93% of them claim to be white in Florida.

Basically, it's fair to say that all of could conclude that being a foreign Latin American and being American is the difference between a fertility of 2 and 3 children.
 
Old 02-21-2008, 02:57 AM
 
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I think I posted like 30 posts lol Too much for one night. I probably won't be on for a couple days if anyone responds
 
Old 02-21-2008, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I'm just saying that I feel we should treat people as we would like to be treated, no more no less. I was not thinking of only Hispanics, but all races and all religions.
There is no 'Hispanic' race--------it is a weasel word at best.
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