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Old 08-23-2016, 04:33 AM
 
Location: US
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Exactly the same here in Florida. Very few whites or blacks in the construction trade here except for the occasional employee. Experienced tradesmen take much less an hour just to be working.

One of our competitors against whom we bid for work from one very large customer is a group of 15 Mexicans. The owner of the group is a legal US citizen, the rest are not. They do the work fast and cheap, but without as much quality. We pay competitive wages, pay all taxes, all employees are covered by workers' compensation---we're legal. They do hold down wages. They are raking in money.


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I've spent many years as a consultant in the building business and as a licensed General Contractor. The vast majority of construction workers here in NC are, without question, illegal. The are subcontractors where one, the boss, speaks English and is likely legal. He is the one who gets paid. He in turn, distributes the wages to the "illegals." They work for far less than our citizens-which appeals to builders who are under pressure to reduce or contain costs. Most of the "Americans" that I know in the business have since bailed because they could not compete. I haven't seen anyone other than hispanics installing sheetrock, roofs or doing framing/boxing for several years. We are now starting to see quite a few hispanic plumbers and even some electricians. Do they hold wages down-absolutely. Should employers be held liable for hiring illegals-I believe so.
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am posting a link that shows the jobs that are taken by illegal aliens from each state.

I know many think they just work in orange groves , but they work in housing, construction and many other areas.. many jobs taken.

Illegal Aliens Taking U.S. Jobs (2013)
Small business employers choose to give jobs to illegal workers instead of legal workers.

Only a handful of states have made e- Verify of all employees a requirement. Why is this?

Why has Congress declined to pass a bill requiring all employers to run all employees through e- Verify?

What powerful lobbies have been making certain Congress takes no action and have been doing so for 30+ years? Who benefits from employment of illegal workers? Whose interests are being protected?

30 years is a long time. It has not mattered who has sat the oval or held the majority.
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Old 08-27-2016, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Small business employers choose to give jobs to illegal workers instead of legal workers.

Only a handful of states have made e- Verify of all employees a requirement. Why is this?

Why has Congress declined to pass a bill requiring all employers to run all employees through e- Verify?

What powerful lobbies have been making certain Congress takes no action and have been doing so for 30+ years? Who benefits from employment of illegal workers? Whose interests are being protected?

30 years is a long time. It has not mattered who has sat the oval or held the majority.
The future of any job in America is not certain. Our world is changing so fast and most people don't realize what is happening. In just the next week or two Uber will start using 'driverless' vehicles in Pittsburg: Uber To Use Autonomous Cars To Haul People in Next Few Weeks | NewsFactor Network. Of course they will have a backup driver when they first hit the streets. However; all of this is about greed. Automation means that the employers can cut cost - no payroll, no benefits, no 'personal' problems; just money flowing in. At least it sounds 'bullish' enough to have so many working on this that they expect this to be reality very shortly.

I am waiting for computers to take over our legal system and Congress. Then I think we will see 'real' savings! I am kind of curious what everybody, including the illegal immigrants, are going to do when nobody works? I have to wonder if American business figured out who is going to buy their products then?
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Old 08-31-2016, 12:20 PM
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Location: Los Angeles
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Whether people want to admit it or not, the Illegal Immigrant DO take many jobs that American citizens were once doing. We have a good friend who does dry wall, and the Americans cannot compete. The Illegals will work for less money. It's pretty sad. They really need to go after the Employers who hire them.

Back in the 70's working in construction meant a lot of money to American workers... I know, that was then and this is now BUT don't Americans come first? Seriously?
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Old 08-31-2016, 12:39 PM
 
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How about ...."American employers are giving our jobs to illegals" you should be whining about people who "illegally" hire them. Farmers, factories, construction, gardeners, nannies, dish washers... Etc.
People want cheap labor to improve their bottom line... It's all about the money!
Put the blame where it squarely belongs.
This. Need to have some serious fines for companies that get caught hiring illegals. Easiest way to shut off the flow.
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Old 08-31-2016, 02:17 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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This. Need to have some serious fines for companies that get caught hiring illegals. Easiest way to shut off the flow.
To do that we need to make it mandatory to verify legal status. Until we do, companies need only say that they didn't know.
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Lakeland, Florida
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I think for people that need part-time unskilled type work. The jobs that we are told Americans won't do, but actually some will do. Americans such as students, retirees or anyone really in need of some income. Those are the people that probably lose the most jobs to illegal immigrants.
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Old 09-01-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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I think for people that need part-time unskilled type work. The jobs that we are told Americans won't do, but actually some will do. Americans such as students, retirees or anyone really in need of some income. Those are the people that probably lose the most jobs to illegal immigrants.
True, but illegal aliens have taken full time blue-collared jobs also such as construction, landscaping, etc. that Americans used to do for a fair wage and were their sole income.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Lakeland, Florida
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True, but illegal aliens have taken full time blue-collared jobs also such as construction, landscaping, etc. that Americans used to do for a fair wage and were their sole income.
Yes your correct. They do take those jobs. The Govt has allowed this to happen, for many years now. It speaks volumes as to what kind of country, we are paying all these taxes to.
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Old 09-01-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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Times have changed, if those illegal immigrants disappeared tomorrow a large majority would go unfilled. Agriculture is a small percentage but a critical job that you won't see Americans take anytime soon.
You apparently missed the part where it was pointed out that there is an agricultural visa program that has no caps.

Farmers who obey the law and use the visa program have no problems getting their crops picked. The ones who have a problem when states like AL and GA get tough on illegals, are the sleazy farmers who refuse to use the visa program and opt instead for cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.

Have you thought of why it is that few Americans are picking crops? When sleazy farmers can use illegals and pay them less and exploit them, they don't want Americans or visa workers. Also, many unemployed Americans live in urban and suburban areas. How is someone who doesn't have reliable transportation going to get to the farms? In some cases, the farms are so far away that whatever money they make will be eaten up in gas costs and vehicle maintenance. Not only that, but it is seasonal work. Most people want year-round work.

This business about crops supposedly rotting in the fields is false.
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