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Old 09-05-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Well, I started in the construction trades right out of high school.

In 10 years the 1986 green card act was passed. Within one year of that passing, I was no longer framing homes like I had 10 years prior. House painting and roofing was a short stint, before I was out of work, or lower my price significantly. Then off to the flooring trades.
By 2004 I could only get work, if I significantly lowered my price per sq.ft. and I had to take a one price fits all attitude just to land a bid to feed the family, which basically bankrupted me, as no 2 jobs are the same.
It came to the point, I was going to have to join them if I could not beat them. It was either hire a bunch of illegals and pray for volume, over quality to make it, or close the business and let them have it. I refused to hire illegals, so I had to reprogram myself, from the craftsman I am, to a inspector of those doing the work. From Blue collar and loving it to white collar and hating it.

That's true of a lot of Americans. They have been forced out of their blue collared jobs by illegal aliens to work jobs they don't even enjoy just to feed their families.
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Old 09-05-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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Well, I started in the construction trades right out of high school.

In 10 years the 1986 green card act was passed. Within one year of that passing, I was no longer framing homes like I had 10 years prior. House painting and roofing was a short stint, before I was out of work, or lower my price significantly. Then off to the flooring trades.
By 2004 I could only get work, if I significantly lowered my price per sq.ft. and I had to take a one price fits all attitude just to land a bid to feed the family, which basically bankrupted me, as no 2 jobs are the same.
It came to the point, I was going to have to join them if I could not beat them. It was either hire a bunch of illegals and pray for volume, over quality to make it, or close the business and let them have it. I refused to hire illegals, so I had to reprogram myself, from the craftsman I am, to a inspector of those doing the work. From Blue collar and loving it to white collar and hating it.
Some act like illegals (and immigrants in general) are only taking blue collar jobs. While that's not true, even if it was true it still affects everyone in the labor market. Where are the American blue collar workers going to go? Why, into the white color workforce, increasing competition and driving down pay. I bet there are Americans who were pushed out of a blue collar field by illegals, then went to a white color field to be pushed out by other immigrants H1B or whatever.
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Old 09-05-2016, 05:47 PM
 
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That's true of a lot of Americans. They have been forced out of their blue collared jobs by illegal aliens to work jobs they don't even enjoy just to feed their families.
If Americans did the jobs there would be no jobs for the illegal aliens to take.
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Old 09-05-2016, 06:55 PM
 
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If Americans did the jobs there would be no jobs for the illegal aliens to take.
American's can't do the jobs that illegals are being hired to do in place of Americans. Do you not understand what "pushed out" means? You're trying to blame the victim.
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Old 09-06-2016, 04:13 AM
 
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American's can't do the jobs that illegals are being hired to do in place of Americans. Do you not understand what "pushed out" means? You're trying to blame the victim.
To clarify Give some examples of jobs Americans cant do or are being pushed out of as i cant think of a single job that Mexicans can do that an American cant do..
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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Oh no a link to FAIR. You know the libs will cry foul.

It's unFAIR?
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:57 AM
 
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There are 23 million unemployed Americans what makes you think those jobs would go unfilled? Why wouldn't those blue-collared American workers want those jobs back at a fair wage again? As I said, why would Americans take agricultural jobs when there are already unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers? I repeat, it's only seasonal work not a career job for Americans. The body can only take that kind of work for so many years anyway. Many Americans don't live in rural areas either.

For one thing, there is a spatial mismatch between farm jobs and the mass of unemployed.
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Old 09-06-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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For one thing, there is a spatial mismatch between farm jobs and the mass of unemployed.

Not sure what you mean here. Could you clarify?
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Old 09-06-2016, 08:35 PM
 
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To clarify Give some examples of jobs Americans cant do or are being pushed out of as i cant think of a single job that Mexicans can do that an American cant do..
There are millions of illegals working in the US. Americans can't do a job an illegal is already taking.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:10 PM
 
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If Americans did the jobs there would be no jobs for the illegal aliens to take.
You mean, if 10 million+ Americans citizens knowingly participated in broad-scale tax fraud, there would be no jobs to take? I mean come on, to compete with an illegal you would have to work under the table, right? Yeah, I'll pass on the tax evasion charges thank you.

It is completely obvious that illegals suppress wages and worker rights. Illegal is the new Pinkerton. We had the great robber barons of the past and it sure looks like we are starting to turn back to that page in history. Same story, different characters.
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