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Old 08-28-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Romney said it best when he said that deportation was a matter of "attrition". Once the US gets serious about enforcement, eliminates all free social programs to illegals and their children and has no jobs for illegals, etc., they will leave on their own. Given some time, this is at least worth a shot. We need to stop letting in the refugees who claim asylum and then refuse their deportation when their asylum is denied. When the judge says GO, it should mean GO.
That is of course more fantasy. The legislature would need to change laws including the Constitution to do that. There is simply not anywhere near majority support for that anymore the super majority that is required.

So the choice remains to reduce the problem to something that can be handled or maintain the status quo which may in fact get worse. The only good news is that we will eventually run out of Mexican illegals.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Romney said it best when he said that deportation was a matter of "attrition". Once the US gets serious about enforcement, eliminates all free social programs to illegals and their children and has no jobs for illegals, etc., they will leave on their own. Given some time, this is at least worth a shot. We need to stop letting in the refugees who claim asylum and then refuse their deportation when their asylum is denied. When the judge says GO, it should mean GO.
Agreed and that day's coming IMHO.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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Requires passing new legislation which is not going to happen.

Requires vast increases in Immigration enforcement budgets which is not going to happen.

The choices are legalization or maintain the status quo. No real possibility of much else.
Trumps proposed new resources to make this happen and you are right. No Budget to pursue this is just a bunch of noise.


Most people are tired of the 8 years that the Obama administration and its cronies imposed with its "political correctness" and corruptive garbage that now everyone seems to be offended.


If a thoughtful step-by-step program is followed; it would be possible. Dare to dream!
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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I don't know how many times it has to be repeated that many if not most of us on the right aren't for mass deportations just enforce the laws on the books as they are found and remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and to continue to come here.


The Republicans didn't want the Gang of Eight bill because it included amnesty and I don't blame them. What good does it do the American worker to have 11 million illegals legalized? How does rewarding illegals prevent more from coming? It doesn't, it just encourages more to come.


People living here illegally is not a fact of life. It's an atrocity. They should be dealt with by deportation when they are found. Anything short of deporting them is amnesty. Why in the world would the GOP want them to have a path to citizenship when they would more than likely vote Democratic once they became citizens? There never was any reform, it was amnesty plain and simple.

There is a a lot wrong with our current immigration policy, most of it in place for many, many years starting way before Obama took office. Many agree with much of your position, but compromise is what is necessary to move forward and without moving forward the current (and untenable) status quo is what will remain in place.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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There is a a lot wrong with our current immigration policy, most of it in place for many, many years starting way before Obama took office. Many agree with much of your position, but compromise is what is necessary to move forward and without moving forward the current (and untenable) status quo is what will remain in place.

Describe "compromise"? If that means amnesty then we will just continue down the path of encouraging more illegals to come here. How will Americans get their jobs back if millions of illegals are allowed to remain here and retain them? Doesn't amnesty negate our sane annual quotas for legal immigration for the next 10 years? The status quo has been not enforcing our immigration laws for some time now. Perhaps you'd like to explain how our current legal immigration policies are wrong?
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Old 08-29-2016, 05:56 AM
 
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Arizona has e-verify. It has been very successful in the fast food industry opening thousands of jobs for teenagers. But employers in the better jobs like construction get around it by using "sub-contractors" who hire illegals for a job and independent contractors who are officially self-employed so the employer does not have to do any verification of them. It all proves that no matter what you do, short of tossing them out, they will find a way to get around the laws.
1800 tip line to ICE. ICE raids job site. ICE arrests illegals and heavily fines companies. ICE deports illegals. This isn't rocket science
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:12 AM
 
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They come here for the jobs which are not going away. Already too many work of the books which undermines the US custom of paying your income tax. Tighten down and you force more off the books.

The only ones who get any welfare are the US citizen who get the same as other US citizen. Only benefit illegal aliens get is the schooling of their non citizen children who actually are not illegal.

Any change to birthright citizenship involves a change to the Constitution which is efffectively impossible.

Self deportation is a right wing fantasy. You will have more luck clicking the heels on your red shoes three times.
BS propaganda.

Illegals get WIC and aid for illegal kids and anchors. Anchors get welfare etc. Free schooling healthcare from ERs. Clogged roads and cash jobs. 25 people living in a house.

Please state where it says illegals kids are citizens
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:20 AM
 
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Not required to be an American to have rights. Those rights are curtailed only in the immediate area of the border.

Existing laws might do the task...but only if the enforcement is budgeted. You got enough money to deport a few hundred thousand a year. Want to do a couple of million you need vastly more funding. That is not going to happen.
3 minutes in front of a judge to prove citizenship. Fail and on the bus you go
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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Nonsense. The government must prove the illegality and an illegal may have further rights. Well established law. And some countries may decline to a accept the return of refugees.

You have a right to your own opinions but you do not get your own facts.
You're living in a fantasy land.

Its called the totality of the circumstances.
1. No id
2. No English
3. No ss number
Etc

Countries refusing refugees.?LOL. They will take them. We will force them.
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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1800 tip line to ICE. ICE raids job site. ICE arrests illegals and heavily fines companies. ICE deports illegals. This isn't rocket science
Need 5 times as many raiders. Need 5 times as many judges. Need 5 times as many prosecutors. Need 5 times as many holding cells. Need 5 times as many jailers. Would still take decades.

Don't have and are not going to get 5 times as many anythings.
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