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Old 08-25-2016, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Forest bathing
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In my twenties, I wanted to buy a home. I had a full-time job plus painted names on commercial fishing boats. I also worked as a dishwasher/kitchen prep person. I had a college degree. I just didn't want to wait years to buy. No illegals, just college students and high schoolers plus a retired widow trying to make ends meet as cooks, waitstaff and janitorial. This was in the late 1970s but it does illustrate that Americans can and will do this jobs. Because we were allowed to eat a meal there from the salad bar, we saved on groceries.
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Old 08-25-2016, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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it is a lie that we NEED (or needed) them for those jobs. An accurate statement is that in the past they would do those jobs for less pay. THAT is why they were given the jobs initially.
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Old 08-25-2016, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I have never been for rounding them all up and mass deportations so if Trump has back peddled on that then I am ok with it. However, any more concessions for illegal aliens such as amnesty for any of them and he's lost my vote. I am waiting to see what he has to say at the debates.

Amnesty is such a ridiculous concept that is going to bury so many of the lower class folks who are hanging on to the few jobs that are out there for them. There is no doubt in my mind that with amnesty comes "them paying their fair share of taxes" BUT we all know that some liberal social justice warrior will suggest that the amnesty bunch is suffering "taxation without representation" They get a vote and that means the end of the Republican party.

If Hillary gets in this country and many things we hold dear are done. The real fear is Hillary will appoint at least 1 possibly 2 very liberal supreme court justices which means good bye second amendment and hello to millions of unvetted illegals and refugees.

Trump needs every vote he can get. Not voting for him is like giving Hillary half a vote. He is not the best candidate but we at least have a chance with him.
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Old 08-25-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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In my twenties, I wanted to buy a home. I had a full-time job plus painted names on commercial fishing boats. I also worked as a dishwasher/kitchen prep person. I had a college degree. I just didn't want to wait years to buy. No illegals, just college students and high schoolers plus a retired widow trying to make ends meet as cooks, waitstaff and janitorial. This was in the late 1970s but it does illustrate that Americans can and will do this jobs. Because we were allowed to eat a meal there from the salad bar, we saved on groceries.
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it is a lie that we NEED (or needed) them for those jobs. An accurate statement is that in the past they would do those jobs for less pay. THAT is why they were given the jobs initially.
Agreed.

Illegal aliens and those who WILLINGLY hire them over US citizens or even legal aliens NEED to be punished. Hard.

Just like Mexico or Poland are well WITHIN their rights to allow or hire who they want, or NOT put up with lawbreakers.
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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it is a lie that we NEED (or needed) them for those jobs. An accurate statement is that in the past they would do those jobs for less pay. THAT is why they were given the jobs initially.
It needs saying this is indicative of old fashioned American greed once again over-riding respect for that constitution thingy to the tune of millions of examples.

In that respect one could surmise the U.S. is getting what it ultimately deserves.

A great shame it's been 'encouraged' to go on for decades.
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Amnesty is such a ridiculous concept that is going to bury so many of the lower class folks who are hanging on to the few jobs that are out there for them. There is no doubt in my mind that with amnesty comes "them paying their fair share of taxes" BUT we all know that some liberal social justice warrior will suggest that the amnesty bunch is suffering "taxation without representation" They get a vote and that means the end of the Republican party.

If Hillary gets in this country and many things we hold dear are done. The real fear is Hillary will appoint at least 1 possibly 2 very liberal supreme court justices which means good bye second amendment and hello to millions of unvetted illegals and refugees.

Trump needs every vote he can get. Not voting for him is like giving Hillary half a vote. He is not the best candidate but we at least have a chance with him.
You're royally screwed with either one of them getting the nod.
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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It needs saying this is indicative of old fashioned American greed once again over-riding respect for that constitution thingy to the tune of millions of examples.

In that respect one could surmise the U.S. is getting what it ultimately deserves.

A great shame it's been 'encouraged' to go on for decades.

Law abiding Americans certainly don't deserve this.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:28 PM
 
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biggest lie that's ever been told.
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Utter nonsense!
Pure, utter nonsense!

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I disagree with your stereotyping of our American youth. Sure there are some lazy kids out there but most families I know encourage and even insist that their kids become productive members of our society. It all depends on your upbringing. Also, since illegals have taken so many of those entry level jobs it has depleted our American youth's opportunities to work. Other than that you are correct with your other comments.
I have lived in 3 states with a lower cost of living. Many high school students work in order to have the things they need and even to help out there families. These jobs are now being taken by illegals. Same with the college students in town, those jobs they would do to help pay their way in college are non-existent.

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Maybe that is why Trump is softening his stance on illegals?

There is no way we can get them all out of here but a good start would be to detain and deport the ones that get caught when they break the law.

Today we have them driving drunk and crashing into citizens wrecking their cars and lives. They get arrested then released where they fail to show up for their court date. If anyone of us did that we would be in so much trouble and besides most of us have much to lose for violating the law.

If you are illegal and Break the law you are gone for good. That would be a good start.
I don't think many realize just how many laws they break once in the country. It will be an excellent start in deporting some and encouraging others to move along back home.

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it is a lie that we NEED (or needed) them for those jobs. An accurate statement is that in the past they would do those jobs for less pay. THAT is why they were given the jobs initially.
Also, one in eight white collar jobs go to illegal aliens now. Jobs traditionally done, especially in the inner cities, by blacks are now given to illegal aliens. Illegal aliens have anchor babies for cash and since we support their children, they can afford to work for less. Section 8 government housing is full of illegals riding the coat tails of their anchor babies.

| National Review

Are There Really Jobs Americans Won

In low income areas, it is not unusual for people to hold more than one job to make ends meet at a time when it is hard to find just the one job.
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Amnesty is such a ridiculous concept that is going to bury so many of the lower class folks who are hanging on to the few jobs that are out there for them. There is no doubt in my mind that with amnesty comes "them paying their fair share of taxes" BUT we all know that some liberal social justice warrior will suggest that the amnesty bunch is suffering "taxation without representation" They get a vote and that means the end of the Republican party.

If Hillary gets in this country and many things we hold dear are done. The real fear is Hillary will appoint at least 1 possibly 2 very liberal supreme court justices which means good bye second amendment and hello to millions of unvetted illegals and refugees.

Trump needs every vote he can get. Not voting for him is like giving Hillary half a vote. He is not the best candidate but we at least have a chance with him.

I can't understand why ANY Republican would support amnesty. It's as if the GOP wants to self-destruct.

If Trump wins, I don't expect him to deport every single illegal at once. If he can deport the worst of the worst, that will be more than any other politician has done recently.
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