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View Poll Results: OPEN Borders North & South
NO 87 90.63%
YES 9 9.38%
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Old 09-26-2016, 04:35 AM
 
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Open is open. Closed is closed
There is no middle
Actually, there is a middle ground, and it is slowly, inexorably being implemented. It used to be called Mode 4, I don't know what the current code-speak is. But there is still a lot of information on this, if you type Mode 4 WTO into your favorite search engine.

Global corporations want to move goods, capital, and intellectual property across borders as it serves their interests. One of the things trade agreements do is articulate and describe the process by which these movements take place. Every penny that goes across a national border is recorded, and our Overlords know who is sending how much to whom. When good are shipped across borders, manifests spell out exactly what is being shipped from where by whom to where to whom. It's all recorded. Intellectual property rights are kept in a database, accessible to interested parties, to verify who has been licensed by whom, for how much, for what valuation.

The same thing is being worked on for people. To the globalists, peole are just another category of inventory. [nb - I think one of the things that is keeping this from moving ahead as fast as they thought it would in the 90s is that the technology to quickly, cheaply, and correctly use biomarkers for identity verification is not as advanced as they had thought it would be. ]

Mode 4 is the movement of natural persons (since corporations can be defined as persons, they need to differentiate humans from legal constructs, hence the adjective "natural") across borders for purposes of employment. This specifically excludes immigrants.

Immigration is being covered by UN agreements, the most current one coming up in Quito next month, the New Urban Agenda (https://www.habitat3.org/file/535859/view/588897) which says that everyone should be able to live anywhere they want.

You can bet immigrants will have to register, so this is not so much freedom of movement for people, as it is an expansion of market opportunities for the giant global corporations, who see the transferance of billions of desperately poor people to rich, developed countries as a golden opportunity.

And it is well under way now.
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Old 09-26-2016, 07:57 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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How does that Mode 4 benefit the USA? WE already have enough people for all jobs. We just need less illegals lowballing wages.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:59 PM
 
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Sounds like the free movement of people into the US and the free movement of capital out of the US. How does that help or benefit an average American citizen? We are being looted, pillaged and plundered basically.
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Old 09-27-2016, 02:36 AM
 
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no to both.

heck, the Canadians are in Florida most of the winter anyway.

Mexico is building a southern fence, because they want to protect their jobs.

Ironic, no?
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Old 10-03-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Remember that before 1905 the border was not only completely open, no records were kept unless you landed by ship.
That wasn't that long ago.
Then again, the new arrivals generally weren't motivated by a free ride and/or a place to hide themselves and their money.
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Old 10-03-2016, 05:48 PM
 
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Remember that before 1905 the border was not only completely open, no records were kept unless you landed by ship.
That wasn't that long ago.
Then again, the new arrivals generally weren't motivated by a free ride and/or a place to hide themselves and their money.

Back then we were far less populated and had plentiful jobs and resources also. Not so today.
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Old 10-04-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Remember that before 1905 the border was not only completely open, no records were kept unless you landed by ship.
That wasn't that long ago.
Then again, the new arrivals generally weren't motivated by a free ride and/or a place to hide themselves and their money.
Nonsense. American citizenship laws were much more exclusive at that time.
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