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Old 09-30-2016, 04:57 PM
 
Location: ATX/Houston
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yeah, well, I'm afraid another reason they are doing this is to go global...
...to go global? Did you just wake up from some 40 year coma? We have been global for sometime now....
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:02 PM
 
Location: WY
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I firmly believe there is a master plan behind why the govt wants to let so many illegals in. It could be stopped very very easily yet they don't want to do it. Votes are definitely part of it.
1. Why would European leaders allow a million third world, unvetted refugees onto their continent that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burdens on nations already financially struggling?

2. Why would we allow tens of thousands of refugees into this nation that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who our intelligence leaders have already told us publicly are not able to be safely vetted and who ISIS has already said would be used to smuggle terrorists into this country? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burden on a nation already financially struggling?

3. Why would our political leaders allow unsecure borders and sanctuary cities, offer so many immediate benefits to illegals, and use "heart string rationales" for their actions, as opposed to "best interest of the nation rationales" for their actions?

4. Why would our political leaders undermine the foundations of this nation? Undermine parents, teachers, police officers and other positions of authority? Why would they provide a lousy education to the nations' youth? Why would they encourage a drugged citizenry? Why would they monopolize and control the media? Why would they encourage anarchy in the streets? Why would they weaken the military and attempt to disarm the citizenry? Why would they undermine the social structure to such an extent where you can't even use the words male or female, mother or father, and have to think twice which door to walk through when you have to pee?

None of this is happening organically. Is it all part of a world wide master plan? Who the hell knows. Is there mass insanity among elected leaders throughout the first world? Again - who the hell knows. But we're wandering aimlessly in the Twilight Zone right now.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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Who's living in an alternate state? Everyone knows the Chamber of Congress Republicans like open borders and benefit from low wages it produces.
And Republican governors....

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But there is only one presidential candidate who is promising to keep things as they are and even increase the refugee program, and it's not the Republican.
Oh... Did Trump promise you? Was it a pinky promise? How many Republicans have promised to get tough immigration? Where are the results?

Prepared to be fooled and disappointed by yet another politician telling you what you want to hear.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:05 PM
 
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Exactly! Democrats have decided it is a lot easier to import a Democrat than convert an already citizen. With the Hispanic project in the bag, they have embarked on the Muslim project. Right now is the planting season. Harvesting begins in 10 years and in 30 years it will really bear fruit.
You sure painted an accurate analogy. They really are planting foreigners like crops to weed out the native and to harvest later.

But I'd argue the harvesting has long began and the full conversion is just a couple years away if not already effectively here.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:08 PM
 
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I firmly believe there is a master plan behind why the govt wants to let so many illegals in. It could be stopped very very easily yet they don't want to do it. Votes are definitely part of it.
I firmly believe in facts. Facts that show illegal immigration is more tied with the housing sector that the person in the white house.


5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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1. Why would European leaders allow a million third world, unvetted refugees onto their continent that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burdens on nations already financially struggling?

2. Why would we allow tens of thousands of refugees into this nation that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who our intelligence leaders have already told us publicly are not able to be safely vetted and who ISIS has already said would be used to smuggle terrorists into this country? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burden on a nation already financially struggling?


Though Europe has taken in many immigrants/refugees, the numbers pale in comparison to the US's, historically. More than 25 million immigrants poured into the US between, roughly, 1880 and 1930. Twenty-five million. The US survived. In fact, it flourished into the country it is today.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of mass immigration of ANY group. Having said that, in all likelihood, everything will be just fine. More than 13 million immigrants arrived in the US between 2001 and 2010 (thanks, in part, to Bush's manufactured war). The US survived. I'm guessing the Syrian refugees will integrate just as well as have the vast majority of immigrants before them. There's no need to panic.

If the US were to have responded after WWI and WWII the way some would like the US to respond to the Syrians, most German and Italian immigrants would have been refused entry. After all, they had been our enemies, had they not? Fortunately, however, the US didn't give in to the fear. America upheld its principles. And, everything turned out fine. All of us, including Americans of German and Italian ancestry who oppose providing asylum to Syrian refugees, might try to remember that.


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Old 09-30-2016, 06:45 PM
 
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Though Europe has taken in many immigrants/refugees, the numbers pale in comparison to the US's, historically. More than 25 million immigrants poured into the US between, roughly, 1880 and 1930. Twenty-five million. The US survived. In fact, it flourished into the country it is today.

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What isn't mentioned with the 1880-1920 immigrant surge is they were still almost all Europeans, not non-Europeans like today and twice as massive every year. And it was still too destabilizing, problematic and was restricted after 1924 until 1965. And what happened by the late 1950's, early 1960's, a leftist take over of many institutions. American is still being destabilized and globalized by that eastern European immigration from ~1900.
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Old 09-30-2016, 06:48 PM
 
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Given that illegal immigration is net-negative, given there are millions fewer illegals than in past years, and given that Obama has deported more undocumented immigrants than any other President in history, I would say their evil plan to "flood America with illegals" isn't exactly working out.

Are Trump voters really this stupid?
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:12 PM
 
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We're not stupid enough to believe false or unsubstantiated claims. Obama has not deported more illegals, he tried to unilaterally legalize millions of them, and has increased the refugee entries. Obama has violated, ignored and re-written immigration law on 100s of occasions.

http://www.sessions.senate.gov/publi...ne-updated.pdf

Sessions: Obama Dismantling the Immigration System | Frontpage Mag
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Old 09-30-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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1. Why would European leaders allow a million third world, unvetted refugees onto their continent that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burdens on nations already financially struggling?
Because some of those leaders are from countries where the birthrate is too low....not enough younger people in proportion to older people to pay those generous social welfare benefits. Immigration...resetting that timetable.

Also...there is only one Norway (sovereign wealth fund money per capita ++++). And Norway is changing/tightening some of their immigration policies.

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2. Why would we allow tens of thousands of refugees into this nation that have no hope of, and little desire to integrate? Who our intelligence leaders have already told us publicly are not able to be safely vetted and who ISIS has already said would be used to smuggle terrorists into this country? Who don't speak the language, come from a completely alternative culture, and who place additional financial burden on a nation already financially struggling?

3. Why would our political leaders allow unsecure borders and sanctuary cities, offer so many immediate benefits to illegals, and use "heart string rationales" for their actions, as opposed to "best interest of the nation rationales" for their actions?

4. Why would our political leaders undermine the foundations of this nation? Undermine parents, teachers, police officers and other positions of authority? Why would they provide a lousy education to the nations' youth? Why would they encourage a drugged citizenry? Why would they monopolize and control the media? Why would they encourage anarchy in the streets? Why would they weaken the military and attempt to disarm the citizenry? Why would they undermine the social structure to such an extent where you can't even use the words male or female, mother or father, and have to think twice which door to walk through when you have to pee?

None of this is happening organically. Is it all part of a world wide master plan? Who the hell knows. Is there mass insanity among elected leaders throughout the first world? Again - who the hell knows. But we're wandering aimlessly in the Twilight Zone right now.
A number of possible reasons. Two I can think of off the top of my head....1.political correctness....2.leaders with visions rolling around in their heads that can be brought about faster if the Cloward-Piven strategy is implemented.
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