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Old 02-25-2008, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Missouri of course
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Will it occur overnight?
Not at all.
But it will happen - maybe by the end of the century, maybe in the next one. The fact is, in the long run the world is becoming all intertwined. It's not through any nefarious plan (no matter what those folks with their aluminum foil hats may say) but rather through natural organic growth of trade and the interconnecting of communications.
BS but neat that you can not prove anything you posted.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So the fact that their Board of Trustees is dominated by members of the CFR doesn't bother you? You seem like an intelligent individual, do you think that a one world government led by and for a global elite will be a good thing for all of us 'little people'? Do you even know what the CFR's goals are?

I'm always amazed when seemingly rational folks support this sort of thing and I wonder what possible benefit they see for themselves and their families in it?

Can you educate me about this?
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:08 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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BS but neat that you can not prove anything you posted.
Of course I can't prove any of it. That's the nature of the future.

DUH!

Ken
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Of course I can't prove any of it. That's the nature of the future.

DUH!

Ken
I noticed that you didn't address my questions about the CFR...
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:16 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I noticed that you didn't address my questions about the CFR...
That's because I was eating dinner. Not enought time to reply to your more involved post.

Ken
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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That's because I was eating dinner. Not enought time to reply to your more involved post.

Ken
Enjoy your meal, I'm going to get a drink...
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:34 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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So the fact that their Board of Trustees is dominated by members of the CFR doesn't bother you?
Not at all. I don't buy the "Council on Foreign Relations is a boogeyman" theory.

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do you think that a one world government led by and for a global elite will be a good thing for all of us 'little people'?
Who do you think runs the US government now?
I think it's a hoot how the word "elite" is thrown around by Conservatives like it's a crime - when most of the time it actually is referencing someone who is knowledgable and educated.

Oh, I guess the old saying is true - where ignorance is bliss...

The fact is, EVERY society has had elite - and ours is no different in that regards. Where the difference really shows up is in the fact that in our society, anyone has the opportunity to better themselves and become one of the so-called elite. We are not exactly a meritocracy, but we're about as close to it as any nation has ever been. SInce it seems to me that this "New World Order" is evolving from America (for the most part) I'm fully expecting that America will be the be nation it will most resemble.

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Do you even know what the CFR's goals are?
I know what Goldwater thought they were - I just don't buy the theory that it means enslavement for us any more than we are enslaved now.

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I'm always amazed when seemingly rational folks support this sort of thing and I wonder what possible benefit they see for themselves and their families in it?

Can you educate me about this?
Let's see:

No more war

The freedom to live where and how you want

Higher standard of living for everyone and an opportunity for every member of society to better themselves and rise as far as their talents and education will permit.

Yup, sounds pretty horrid.

Ken
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I wrote this little piece back in December. It summarizes what I see happening in this country. It was and is an endorsement of Dr. Ron Paul and his Federalist Libertarian stance regarding American government and sovereignty. It also outlines why I think the CFR is an anti-American organization.

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People of America,

I'm sure that many of you look at our political landscape today and scratch your heads wondering, "What has become of our Republic?" It seems like everything we grew up believing has been turned inside out, and that somehow we've been sucked into an inexorable march towards a new world order, where multinational banks and corporations decide what is 'best' for us, and their paid for political lackeys in office do their bidding without a peep of protest.

The fact is, there IS a group of very powerful people deeply entrenched in the halls of Washington D.C., that are marching to the orders of THEIR bosses, and ignoring completely the will of 'We, the People'. These people are members of groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group. For the last 60 years our government has been heavily influenced by these entities in the areas of foreign policy, economic policy and immigration policy.

And they have an agenda.

David Rockefeller, gazillionaire head of the Council on Foreign Relations, has said in his autobiography 'Memoirs', "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global, political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

That's some statement, and just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this organization.

Mr. Rockefeller was speaking to the Bilderberg Group back in 1991 when he said this, "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."


Based on these words, it is easy to see that not only does the CFR have plans for a One World Government headed by an 'intellectual elite', our own news media has kept it hidden from us for the last half-century.

In regards to economic policy, these same international bankers weild an ENORMOUS power over our nation, and have since the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. This Act wrested the control of our money from the Congress and bestowed it upon a private consortium of world bankers, bankers whose ONLY goal is to gain profit and power at any price. These bankers have financed BOTH SIDES of EVERY war, every conflict around the world for the last 300 years. Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockefellers, Warburgs, all manipulating world events through the power of their wealth in order to see their heirs on the thrones of the world.

And it's working.

Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802, "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

I think that's good advice.

Of course America, and our ideals of liberty and self-determination stand in the way of those who wish to rule the world. A prosperous middle class is anathema to those who would be tyrants. It must be destroyed if they are to succeed.

Which brings us to immigration.

6 years after 9/11 our borders stand unprotected, as porous as a sieve, allowing an estimated 4 million illegal aliens into our nation EVERY year. I know that sounds absurd, but even THAT number may be low. The U.S. Border Patrol has caught an average of just over 1 million illegal border-crossers EVERY year since the start of this century, and their own estimates are that for every one caught, 4 or 5 are successful. Even Senator McCain has admitted to that figure, although you won't hear him say it. It's our politicians 'dirty little secret'. They continue to tell us that there are 12 million illegals 'living in the shadows', and the worst part is we continue to BELIEVE them. The REAL number may be as many as 40 million.

These illegals are taking jobs from American workers, depressing our wages and increasing our tax burdens in order to subsidize their illegal presence in our nation. Schools, hospitals and prisons are bulging under the strain. Our infrastructure is crumbling under their weight. We are being driven straight into the poorhouse. Additionally, those middle class jobs that can't be taken by the masses of poor, under-educated border-crossers are increasingly being sent to countries like India and China, putting millions of upper middle class Americans on that same slippery slope.

So now we know the who, the why, and the how.

The big question is now "How do we STOP them?"

That's the easy part, if we will just stop playing their game. The media, those guys who honored their commitment to secrecy for the last 50+ years, are pushing on us Presidential candidates that are ALL members or affiliates of the Council on Foreign Relations. If you don't believe this is true, let me give you an example.

Ever since Democrat Adlai Stevenson challenged Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956, the odds have significantly favored those with membership in the elite groups.

In 1960, both John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon were members.

In 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson was not a member. Neither was his opponent, Barry Goldwater. But Johnson had already staffed his administration with plenty of insiders.

In 1968, it was Nixon versus club member Hubert H. Humphrey.

In 1972, it was Nixon again against Democratic Party CFR member George McGovern.

In 1976, it was CFR Republican Gerald Ford losing to CFR Democrat Jimmy Carter.

In 1980, Ronald Reagan was not a member, but his running mate, George H.W. Bush, was. So were both of his opponents Carter and independent John Anderson. Assuming office, however, Reagan quickly named 313 CFR members to his team.

In 1984, another CFR member, Walter Mondale, was nominated by the Democratic Party to challenge Reagan.

In 1988, CFR member Bush took on CFR member Michael Dukakis.

In 1992, Bush was challenged by an obscure governor from Arkansas, Bill Clinton, who won the "trifecta" by being a member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group. He was also a Rhodes scholar another favored credential of the worldwide elite.

In 1996, Clinton was challenged by CFR member Bob Dole.

In 2000, CFR member Al Gore ran against non-member George W. Bush, but his running mate Dick Cheney is a past Director.

In 2004, Bush was challenged by CFR member John Kerry.

In 2008, we have the following presidential candidates that are either members of one of the groups or have strong ties: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, John McCain, John Edwards, Fred Thompson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson. Mike Huckabee, though not a member, spoke to the CFR in September. Since then, his political star has risen to the point that he has become a top-tier candidate.

There are only 2 candidates on the ticket that are NOT members or affiliates, Dr. Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter. While I believe that Duncan Hunter is a good man, he is under-funded and not even on the ballot in several states, making his possibility of election next to nil.

Dr. Ron Paul stands for traditional Republican values; limited government within the Constitution, a strong national defense, a non-interventionist foreign policy, low taxes, personal responsibility, individual liberty and the right to life. As a 10 term Congressman from Texas Dr. Paul has NEVER voted to raise taxes, NEVER voted against the 2nd Amendment, NEVER voted for an unbalanced budget, NEVER voted to increase government and NEVER voted for a Congressional pay raise.

In fact, Dr. Paul NEVER votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.

He is a man of honesty, a man of humility and a man we can trust to put principles above politics. I urge ALL Americans to vote for Dr. Ron Paul for President of the United States.
As you can see we have different opinions.

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No more war

The freedom to live where and how you want

Higher standard of living for everyone and an opportunity for every member of society to better themselves and rise as far as their talents and education will permit.
I say instead of no more war we'll see perennial war. Why, because it's profitable.

Your freedom is already being regulated and restricted. You think you will be able to live wherever you want, but the UN has different plans. Look at their Treaty on Biodiversity. You will live where you're TOLD to live, and nowhere else.

A higher standard of living for 90% of the world means a lower standard of living for America. We are the 'dollar generator' for this Communist Utopia they've envisioned, NOT the beneficiaries.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:32 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Sorry, I don't buy it one bit.

Ken
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Let's see:

No more war

The freedom to live where and how you want

Higher standard of living for everyone and an opportunity for every member of society to better themselves and rise as far as their talents and education will permit.

Yup, sounds pretty horrid.

Ken
Hey, I know this place, it's called LA-LA LAND. Never going to happen.
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