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Old 02-27-2008, 09:27 AM
Status: "Chin up things can only get better" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: South Bay Native
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The real facts are starting to come out.
Could the reason possibly be that not all the illegals are in a correctional facility, because they are still at large? The study is not exactly reflecting all criminals, only those who are incarcerated. This doesn't mean that they aren't less likely to commit crime, it means they're less likely to get caught and/or face the consequences.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:52 AM
 
Location: California
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Los Angeles Ten Most Wanted:

Not a Caucasian or Black American among them...

Top Ten Most Wanted - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

Yep, look at all of those "Americans" committing crime in L.A.
It's talking about immigrants, not Hispanics. These Hispanics could be 1st generation, you do not know.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Central Valley, CA
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It wasn't a yahoo study and post your so called sources and i'll debunk them.
Any source that disproves your nonsense about how you think illegals are saints will be unfit for you I'm sure, but it's still the truth.
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:04 AM
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Location: South Bay Native
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It's talking about immigrants, not Hispanics. These Hispanics could be 1st generation, you do not know.
Actually, the study was about Mexicans as far as I could tell - who are for the most part hispanic, would you not agree?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:59 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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It's talking about immigrants, not Hispanics. These Hispanics could be 1st generation, you do not know.
True, with the exception of those whose "bio" states Mexico as the country of origin.....
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:49 PM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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Study finds immigrants commit less California crime - Yahoo! News (broken link)

The real facts are starting to come out.
Are we talking about "Immigrants" or "Illegal Immigrants"? If you just mean "immigrants" that that may be true because here in California we have people immigrating from just about every country on the planet (Russian, Iran, Lebanese, Italy, France, Israel, Brazil, etc.) and most of them follow the proper channels for immigration and are law abiding hard working people.

If you are talking "illegal immigrants" (i.e., those primarily from Mexico) then the mere fact of them being here is a crime in an of itself. Sure, most them work their you-know-whats off to earn a living and are more concerned with taking care of their families, but its their children who grow up to be gang bangers, taggers, drug dealers, etc. who commit the lions share of violent crimes here in California. Im sure the study didnt go that deep.
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:02 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Are we talking about "Immigrants" or "Illegal Immigrants"? If you just mean "immigrants" that that may be true because here in California we have people immigrating from just about every country on the planet (Russian, Iran, Lebanese, Italy, France, Israel, Brazil, etc.) and most of them follow the proper channels for immigration and are law abiding hard working people.

If you are talking "illegal immigrants" (i.e., those primarily from Mexico) then the mere fact of them being here is a crime in an of itself. Sure, most them work their you-know-whats off to earn a living and are more concerned with taking care of their families, but its their children who grow up to be gang bangers, taggers, drug dealers, etc. who commit the lions share of violent crimes here in California. Im sure the study didnt go that deep.
It is nearly impossible to attempt to make a distinction between Illegal and Legal for some people who post on this message board.

Any rational minded person knows illegals are ruining it for everybody.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Are we talking about "Immigrants" or "Illegal Immigrants"? If you just mean "immigrants" that that may be true because here in California we have people immigrating from just about every country on the planet (Russian, Iran, Lebanese, Italy, France, Israel, Brazil, etc.) and most of them follow the proper channels for immigration and are law abiding hard working people.

If you are talking "illegal immigrants" (i.e., those primarily from Mexico) then the mere fact of them being here is a crime in an of itself. Sure, most them work their you-know-whats off to earn a living and are more concerned with taking care of their families, but its their children who grow up to be gang bangers, taggers, drug dealers, etc. who commit the lions share of violent crimes here in California. Im sure the study didnt go that deep.
And; based upon historical trends, you are probably 100% correct.

First generation (legal immigrants): they tend to be law abiding simply because life here was so much better here in the USA-------despite prejudice.

Second generation (US born): tend to be the 'gangbangers' due to not being fully American culturally yet do not truly understand what their immigrant parents had to deal with back 'home'.

Third generation (also US born): they usually are 'generic' Americans and intermarry/have children with other Americans
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Old 02-28-2008, 11:09 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Los Angeles Ten Most Wanted:

Not a Caucasian or Black American among them...

Top Ten Most Wanted - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

Yep, look at all of those "Americans" committing crime in L.A.
Well, one thing to keep in mind about lists like this (and the "95% of murder warrants in LA are for illegals") is that you can't take these types of figures at face value without thinking about them.

For example - look at the list of criminals in the "Top Ten". Of those wanted folks that have a date for their crime (6), more than half (4 of them) were from more than 10 years ago, while another was from just under 10 years back. Only 1 happened in the last 5 years - and one of the crimes occured back in the 1980's. In addition a web search indicated that 1 of the remaining 4 undated crimes occured more than 10 years back as well. So what does that tell us? Well, for one thing it PROBABLY tells us one of the following:

1) They don't update this list very often - so it's really out of date
or
2) They REALLY want these particular guys (why THEM as apposed to all the other criminals out there?)
or
3) Once you get on the list, you stay on it no matter how much time passes until you are caught.

In any event, one needs to keep in mind that a lot of these folks are NOT recent criminals, and for WHATEVER reason these guys still remain on the list a longggggg time after their crimes were committed (in one case, nearly 20 years) - which brings us back to the statement "95% of murder warrants in LA are for illegals".

Even more so than a Top Ten list, murder warrants are likely to stay in place FOREVER. Among those 95% are likely murder warrents that are decades old - but they never go away. Since, unlike Americans, illegal immigrants have a place to go where they are relatively safe (ie home to Mexico or whereever they are from) I would guess a lot of those folks probably have done just that. Whereas American criminals will likely get caught eventually and their warrents therefor are no longer outstanding, probably a lot of illegals never do, because the go home to escape the "heat" here. Therefor, over time the percentage of illegals on the wanted list goes up and up and up - until they completely dominate the list of outstanding warrants. That does not mean that illegals committ 95% of the murders in LA - only that 95% of those not caught are illegals - not nearly the same thing.

Statistics are great, but one must take care in how you interpret them as they can be taken to mean a lot of things that are not quite true.

Ken
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Old 02-28-2008, 11:21 AM
 
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30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!"http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
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