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Old 02-27-2008, 12:16 PM
 
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With absolutely no sarcasm, I believe your proposed citizenship test does not have the respect for our consitutionally-protected freedoms that a patriotic US citizen should have. The thought that there should be a "citizenship" test for all Americans which asks questions about sports teams, casinos, and race cars, is not an idea that a mature, responsible, and patriotic citizen of the United States would take seriously. This ridiculous suggestion is about as unpatriotic, unconstitutional, and anti-freedom as you can get.
I agree that a culture-based test would be silly, but I believe there is something to be gained from the OP.

While pop culture is irrelevant to our basic systems, it is important to Americans (or any society). I believe the OP is expressing anger at seeing our culture being supplanted by foreign cultures. Culture does hold a society together, not the least of which is the aspect of language.

Why is it that foreign cultures must be respected as a "source of pride," but we as Americans cannot expect foreigners to assimilate into the culture they chose to join?
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Old 02-27-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Here's the actual test. I don't see why ANYONE would flunk this test unless they PURPOSELY ignored their US History classes...

Questions and Answers for New Naturalization Test
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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What is entailed in "assimilation"?

I really don't believe it is the government's place--or anyone else's, for that matter--to tell people how to live their lives.

Denying someone their basic human rights is illegal and violators (immigrant or otherwise) are handled by law enforcement. Discriminating against people because of language, race, color, or religion is illegal and violations are prosecuted through the civil court system.

Why do a few people continue to insist that the nanny state should lord over how we live our lives and force us all to conform to some abstract americana monoculture?

So far I've gathered that it has something to do with French riots.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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What is entailed in "assimilation"?

I really don't believe it is the government's place--or anyone else's, for that matter--to tell people how to live their lives.

Denying someone their basic human rights is illegal and violators (immigrant or otherwise) are handled by law enforcement. Discriminating against people because of language, race, color, or religion is illegal and violations are prosecuted through the civil court system.

Why do a few people continue to insist that the nanny state should lord over how we live our lives and force us all to conform to some abstract americana monoculture?

So far I've gathered that it has something to do with French riots.
You'll have to define 'basic human rights' before I can even attempt to answer your question...
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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The right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, freedom of expression, and equality before the law.

Go.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What is entailed in "assimilation"?

I really don't believe it is the government's place--or anyone else's, for that matter--to tell people how to live their lives.

Denying someone their basic human rights is illegal and violators (immigrant or otherwise) are handled by law enforcement. Discriminating against people because of language, race, color, or religion is illegal and violations are prosecuted through the civil court system.

Why do a few people continue to insist that the nanny state should lord over how we live our lives and force us all to conform to some abstract americana monoculture?

So far I've gathered that it has something to do with French riots.
For the record: precious few posters on this board are in favor of restricting the rights of a person in this country legally (with the possible exception of Anchor Babies when both parents are illegal) whether citizens or green card holders.

Illegal immigrants, OTOH, have the same rights as an any other group of lawbreakers.
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Old 02-27-2008, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, freedom of expression, and equality before the law.

Go.
Wouldn't those rights be delineated by the government that you live under? And wouldn't those rights apply FIRST to those who legally live under the government that espouses them?
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:54 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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If that's American culture then why would anyone want to come here? You captured some of the WORST aspects of the US. I mean seriously, NASCAR and country music? Vegas? American Idol? Manhattan Clam "chowder"?

PS- as part of a government project in high school, we gave some teachers, administrators, and local government officials the citizenship test. Not a single one of the government officials or school administrators passed.
Nah, just American popular culture today.

Hell better than a lot.....hmmmm....now this IS meant to be a joke

Questions on International Civilizations LOL

1. On average, how much longer is a Cuban siesta compared to a Mexican siesta?
2. What Central American country produces the best cockfighters?

3. How many virgins does Allah reward a suicide bomber in paradise?

4. Identify the difference between a small taco and a taquito.

5. Which two countries went to war over a soccer game? (Answer: El Salvador and Honduras, in 1980).

6. Identify the difference between a burka, a hijab, a disdasha, and kaffiyeh.

7. What is the difference between a sheikh, an imam, an Ayatollah, a mullah, and a jihadi.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:04 AM
 
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My dad is a legal citizen from Taiwan and got his citizenship when I was in middle school, I saw him studying him for the test, and the questions are easy as hell. Any 6th grader who pays any attention in history and social studies class can pass it. They asked things like what the capital of the US is, how many stars are on the flag, what the 13 stripes represent, who the first President was, who freed the slaves, who Martin Luther King was...etc. And people say this test is hard??? Personally I'm add another section about American culture and a loyalty litmus test. Y'all can take this with a grain of salt but to a certain extent its serious. Unlike the past, immigrants are not assimilating culturally. Our society is becoming more and more fragmented.

Look at what has happened in Britain and France with their Islamic ghettos. The London slums produced the suicide terrorists who blew themselves up on the subway. Large numbers of Britihs Muslims, up to a third, believe the attacks are justified because of British and Western foreign policy, esp. Blair's sending of troops to Iraq. France is in contant danger of rioting in all their major cities by Islamic youths and other illegals from Africa and other Third World places. Large segments of immigrants in the US are insulated in their own sub-societies here without accepting American culture and lifestyles. With VERY LITTLE sarcasm, I'd suggest that any citizen should be able to pass at least 50 or 60% of the following questions....note this isn't asking a lot, only 50%.

American Sports

1. What does the NBA stand for?
2. What does NASCAR stand for?
3. What does the NFL stand for?
4. The sports are associated with the Super Bowl, the World Series, and the Daytona 500?
5. Name 3 teams that play in the ACC, and what the ACC stands for.
6. What league does your local MLB play in? Name the closest baseball stadium, basketball or football arena, or NASCAR speedway to your home.

American Food

5. What city is famous for its crabcakes?
6. What style of cooking is New Orleans famous for?
7. What food is Kansas City and Memphis famous for?
8. What type of bread is San Francisco famous for?
9. What state do Philly Cheesesteaks come from? (they need to know what Philly is and what state that is in, quite a challenge actually.....)

10. Using pictures, identify the diff. between New England and Manhattan clam chowder.

11. Are Sonic, Waffle House, and Bojangles more numerous north or south of the Mason-Dixon Line?

12. What Wisconsin city is famous for its beer?

American Legends/History

13. Name 1 of the heroes of the Alamo (hint: Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana ain't a right answer!!!!!!!!!!!)
14. What battleship has a memorial devoted to it at Pearl Harbor?
15. Who were Johnny Appleseed and Paul Bunyon?
16. Why was the cause behind the War of Northern Aggression? (purposely worded this way....also bonus points if they mention states rights)

American Music

17. What style of music is Louis Armstrong famous for?
18. Name 5 famous modern singers or bands from country music, classic rock bluegrass, folk, or R&B (pop, rap and rock are not legit, Latin music is DEFINITELY not legit...extra points for country and r and b)
19. What city is the home of country music?
20. Do you listen to the Dixie Chicks? (bonus point if you answer NO)
21. What show made Carrie Underwood, Kellie Pickler and Bucky Covington famous?

22. Identify in a recording, the following songs: The Star-Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful, My Country Tis of Thee, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, Dixie.

American Geography

23. Where is the Gateway Arch?
24. Name four of the resorts on the Las Vegas Strip
25. Name 2 theme parks in Florida
26. What is Cape Canaveral?
27. Name two of the towns on historic Route 66
28. Lancaster County in which state is famous for its Amish people?
29. What state is home of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway?
30. Where can you get better sweet tea? Pittsburgh or Charleston?
31. Where is the Preakness racetrack located?
32. Where is the Santa Monica pier?

REQUIRED QUESTION - LOYALTY TEST

If Team USA plays your home country in the Olympics who will you cheer for?

Will you be willing to take up arms on behalf of the United States against your home country? THESE TWO QUETSIONS I BELIEVE MUST>>>>>>>MUST>>>>>MUST>>>>>be asked of anyone trying to be a citizen.
Those are great suggestions.

When you see the good type of immigrant -- you can see why those make good sense. A good type of immigrant would want to have a basic understanding of the people of the USA -- and not just the money.

I knew a guy from Hong Kong that was trying to understand our humor by watching late night comedy shows -- he explained that humor is so culturally entwined that someone from the outside really needs to have some background of our culture to understand our humor. He said when he first came, Johnny Carson was on and he would watch it an not "get it". For example Johnny Carson would mock the British but you have to understand our attitudes before you can see the humor in that. This guy felt he had finally "arrived" when he started to laugh at the same things Americans laugh at.
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:12 AM
 
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If that's American culture then why would anyone want to come here? You captured some of the WORST aspects of the US. I mean seriously, NASCAR and country music? Vegas? American Idol? Manhattan Clam "chowder"?

PS- as part of a government project in high school, we gave some teachers, administrators, and local government officials the citizenship test. Not a single one of the government officials or school administrators passed.
But ask yourself -- WHY would someone want to come here and live here permanently if they didn't wish to understand the people of this country?

When you travel to another country do you go only to see the tourist sites or do you try to get an understanding of the people?

And an immigrant who plans to remain here should certainly want to have an understanding of what makes Americans tick. How is he going to fit in in the workplace if he never heard of Vegas or American Idol? What's the point in moving to a country and staying socially isolated and stuck in your own ethnic enclave?

For example -- if you travel to Mexico -- wouldn't you want to learn at least something of the people there? And of that country -- it's history, it's foods, it's music and art. And not just the museum stuff but the living culture.

I think it's sad that we have so many foreigners here who keep themselves cut off and isolated. And they raise their kids to be that -- leading to high drop out rates and other problems.
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