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if big business didn't hire illegals we would have far less of them. big business should be heavily fined. big business is protected by lobbyist and all the mega dollars they give to politicians. fix that and problem solved for the most part.
No, there having anchor babies who draw public assistance. Illegals aliens also steal dollars from Medicaid by visiting the emergency room 3 times as often as a citizen on the taxpayer dime. Now, they are moving in with other families and being subsidized by funding meant for our homeless citizens.
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Originally Posted by BigDGeek
That's just it...our system isn't "broken." People whine about it being "broken" because it doesn't give them the desired result. We don't owe anyone a visa. Even being married to an American citizen doesn't guarantee you a visa, let alone citizenship.
Agree. It isn't "broken" but right now, the hands of law enforcement are tied by Obama, soon to depart. We have a system that will work, just follow the laws.
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Originally Posted by mikeyyc
The illegal immigration issue is a lot like the war on drugs. It would be simple to fix if there were just no demand.
We all like cheap labor picking our crops, working in restaurants, landscaping and all those other things that illegals fall into. Business REALLY likes them, as they make more money too.
Until we're prepared, both business and personally to accept significantly higher costs on a large swath of our lives, we'll continue to have a demand for people we can exploit.
So simple really. Just stop doing cocaine, and the drug wars stop. Just stop exploiting illegals, and the illegals stop.
Not true at all. Illegal aliens take much more from the taxpayers than they pay into the system. Cost of illegal immigration is $113 billion taxpayer dollars. We are subsidizing the employers who are getting over. E-verify ALL jobs and penalize the employers enough to make them remember it when they are tempted to hire an illegal alien again.
Speak for yourself. There is no "we" in this. I don't want illegals working any jobs in this country. They are no bargain when you factor in the $113 billion they cost us per year, loss of jobs, reduced wages, overcrowded schools, jails, hospitals, roads and neighborhoods not to mention the added crime. We don't need illegals to pick crops either as there are unlimited visas for legal, foreigner workers for that job.
Count me in on your team!
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Originally Posted by lvmensch
OldGlory and I actually agree that there should be virtually no illegal aliens in the US. They should be quickly removed as they arrive or become illegal by overstaying a visa.
There should be no way anyone gets past a year of illegality in the US.
Where we do not agree however is how to get to such a state. The existing illegal population is simply too large and too well embedded to be removed. There simply is no practical way to do it. So we need to reduce the population to a manageable number by legalization. But at that point we need systems and capability in place to hold the population below a reasonable limit.
ASt that point we can hold a dialog about how to regulate legal immigration. The present system? A point system like Canada and others? Strong limits modifications to H1B? kl
But first we need control.
So, do you feel the same about criminals that are citizens, if enough time has passed, they shouldn't be prosecuted for their crime? You do realize that most of these illegal aliens continue to break laws in order to remain in the country, right?
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard to start enforcement at the local level. Hospitals could report suspected illegals when they show up for maternity care and emergency care. Patch them up and ship them out. Schools could do likewise. Section 8 housing should be allowing only US citizens to reside there especially since there are waiting lists of US citizens for that housing! In some states where they have gotten driver's licenses, there should be records of who is illegal and they could provide those to get the ball rolling.
I am sure law enforcement also has records of illegal aliens that could be shared with immigration authorities. Just a lot of information out there for the taking. Plenty have been arrested while protesting OUR country's laws.
Again, we have over 1 million citizens in prison for non-violent crimes, and it is not fair to grant foreign invaders with forgiveness while punishing our own citizens.
I see what they can do to a city every day. It is such a shame to see what our country as a whole will look like unless we put a stop to this.
Just enforce the laws on the illegal aliens as we do on our own citizens, well, unless they are a Clinton.
I ask again. How does legalizing some or many illegal aliens get Americans back their jobs? How does that discourage more from coming here. So as an analogy we should just raise the speed limit so that those who speed aren't really speeders anymore?
No, there having anchor babies who draw public assistance. Illegals aliens also steal dollars from Medicaid by visiting the emergency room 3 times as often as a citizen on the taxpayer dime. Now, they are moving in with other families and being subsidized by funding meant for our homeless citizens.
Agree. It isn't "broken" but right now, the hands of law enforcement are tied by Obama, soon to depart. We have a system that will work, just follow the laws.
Not true at all. Illegal aliens take much more from the taxpayers than they pay into the system. Cost of illegal immigration is $113 billion taxpayer dollars. We are subsidizing the employers who are getting over. E-verify ALL jobs and penalize the employers enough to make them remember it when they are tempted to hire an illegal alien again.
So, do you feel the same about criminals that are citizens, if enough time has passed, they shouldn't be prosecuted for their crime? You do realize that most of these illegal aliens continue to break laws in order to remain in the country, right?
Actually, it wouldn't be that hard to start enforcement at the local level. Hospitals could report suspected illegals when they show up for maternity care and emergency care. Patch them up and ship them out. Schools could do likewise. Section 8 housing should be allowing only US citizens to reside there especially since there are waiting lists of US citizens for that housing! In some states where they have gotten driver's licenses, there should be records of who is illegal and they could provide those to get the ball rolling.
I am sure law enforcement also has records of illegal aliens that could be shared with immigration authorities. Just a lot of information out there for the taking. Plenty have been arrested while protesting OUR country's laws.
Again, we have over 1 million citizens in prison for non-violent crimes, and it is not fair to grant foreign invaders with forgiveness while punishing our own citizens.
I see what they can do to a city every day. It is such a shame to see what our country as a whole will look like unless we put a stop to this.
Just enforce the laws on the illegal aliens as we do on our own citizens, well, unless they are a Clinton.
And again the enforcement of the law is not doable. It requires vast sums which are not going to be made available. It requires a vast increase in the immigration enforcement organizations which will cost tens of billion and take years to accomplish. And when you get there you will find a residual core that is difficult or impossible to move. When great areas of some cities riot and burn the enthusiasm will wane.
And note going in there is not majority support for such a program and that support will lessen as the cost and side effects multiply.
When we change the law the illegal behavior is no longer criminal. So we are not rewarding criminals. And note all but the most serious of criminal offenses have statutes of limitation. In other words they expire when they get too old.
That is how it works. You did not know? Pot users in CO and WA may have been criminals five years ago. They no longer are. That is because possession of small amounts of pot is no longer illegal.
And visa over-stayers in general have broken no criminal law. Fact. They may end up with a criminal violation eventually But not from simply over-staying.
That's good, but do you vote for politicians who want the same thing? If not and you vote for the usual democrats who only want amnesty and open borders then your wanting them rounded up doesn't mean much.
if big business didn't hire illegals we would have far less of them. big business should be heavily fined. big business is protected by lobbyist and all the mega dollars they give to politicians. fix that and problem solved for the most part.
I agree with you completely.
They are not here because they have any love for us Americans, our language or our customs. They are here to make money, and to take advantage of everything they can including any type of government assistance they can get.
Take away their earning potential, and they are gone.
That's good, but do you vote for politicians who want the same thing? If not and you vote for the usual democrats who only want amnesty and open borders then your wanting them rounded up doesn't mean much.
I voted for Pete Sessions in my local Congressional district, so yeah.
Look him up.
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