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Old 02-03-2017, 04:33 PM
 
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Not for babies born from illegal aliens it doesn't.
See the link: Defining 'American': Birthright Citizenship And The 14th Amendment

It does.
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Old 02-03-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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Bills can't end birthright citizenship. You would need a constitutional amendment.

We've always been a nation of immigrants, why change that?

Your other links are to low-information propaganda websites. There's not really a controversy on this question. This established lawyer and Federalist Society contributor agrees: Defining 'American': Birthright Citizenship And The 14th Amendment

It's not a close question. The only people who think it is have no clue what they are talking about.
The US born kids of foreign diplomats DON'T get birthright, NO reason for the US born kid of 2 illegal aliens to be treated better.

Even Ireland ended birthright about 10 years back.
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Old 02-03-2017, 04:39 PM
 
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The US born kids of foreign diplomats DON'T get birthright, NO reason for the US born kid of 2 illegal aliens to be treated better.

Even Ireland ended birthright about 10 years back.
Read the link I posted. You need a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship.
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Old 02-03-2017, 04:48 PM
 
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Are you on the Supreme Court? If you're not, your opinion about what is and is not actually legal is worth exactly what we are paying for it, since the issue HAS reached the Supremes. Based on their decision, most legal scholars agree that birthright citizenship is, indeed, what was intended in the Constitution.

It can indeed be legislatively clarified, as long as it's in a way that the Supreme Court upholds. In the meantime, we have the precedent they set. Again, in Wong Kim Ark. Keep arguing it all you want, but you're wrong. Supremely wrong
LOL Court opinion swings as the majority does from party to party. You act as if these cases are set in stone and the formerly stated opinion is forever correct. They're not.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:01 PM
 
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There should be no right for illegal parents to use anchor babies to access ANY benefits, can't pay? Sorry, then go home.
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Old 02-03-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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LOL Court opinion swings as the majority does from party to party. You act as if these cases are set in stone and the formerly stated opinion is forever correct. They're not.
It's worse than that, state courts as an example over-ruled the will of the people in California with Prop 187 to get rid of illegals, so these Left-Wingnut-jobs have cost taxpayers of this state an extra 2-6 billion in this state alone financing illegals
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:29 PM
 
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Read the link I posted. You need a constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship.
Not when the 14 Amendment is being misinterpreted in the first place. It simply needs re-visiting and clarification by the Supreme Court.
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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This is poor, amateur analysis. The native tribes were foreign nations, not part of the United States.
Incorrect. They were in the US, and subject to US criminal law and federal courts since 1885, but didn't have birthright citizenship until specifically granted an exception by a Legislative Act in 1924. Prior to that, they were born in the US, but were not birthright US citizens.

Info on this from the FBI:
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"In 1885, Congress passed the Major Crimes Act to address the resolution of cases in which a crime involving two Native American parties occurs in Indian country. This Act established federal jurisdiction over seven crimes committed in these instances. The original seven covered by the Act include murder, manslaughter, rape, assault with intent to kill, arson, burglary, and larceny. Subsequent amendments to the Act have added seven more offenses: kidnapping, incest, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault resulting in serious bodily injury, assault with intent to commit rape, robbery, and felonious sexual molestation of a minor. Although the intent of the Act is to permit federal punishment of major crimes by Indians against other Native Americans, the Major Crimes Act applies even in offenses committed by Indians against individuals of another ethnicity."
Discusses local/state jurisdiction, as well.

https://leb.fbi.gov/2012/may/indian-...er-act-of-2010
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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Bills can't end birthright citizenship. You would need a constitutional amendment.
As has been explained with both historical and legal facts, that's not true for the children of illegal aliens.

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We've always been a nation of immigrants, why change that?
No one is changing that. There's a legal path to immigration.
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Old 02-04-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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As has been explained with both historical and legal facts, that's not true for the children of illegal aliens.

No one is changing that. There's a legal path to immigration.
Exactly! We need to shed that stupid label of "nation of immigrants" also. Our native born citizen population way outnumbers our immigrant one. Time to just be ourselves a "nation of U.S. citizens" and stop using the above as blackmail to create the notion that nation of immigrants also includes illegal aliens as it clearly doesn't.
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