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Old 01-28-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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Trump should use his own money to build the wall. The wall won't stop anyone anyway. Better off not giving illegal women Medicaid and food stamps for their crotch fruits.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:00 PM
 
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What I find funny, and by "funny" I mean "strange", are the people who support building the wall.

If you believe illegal immigration from Mexico costs the United States, why aren't you demanding that those who profit from their presence pay for the wall?

Why are you OK with footing more of the bill for the private sector?

If existing laws and policies are not adequate to deal with illegal immigration and its causes, why would a wall be any more effective?

Think about this, too:

What if there are people who have infinitely more money than you, and there are a lot of them, and they do not want anything to change?

Do you believe a wall is going to be as effective as their money if the government they very effectively bought is the same government that failed in a catastrophic way to enforce what you want from this security measure?

I guess you don't read City Data very often because if you had you'd know that all of us anti-illegals want the greedy employers held accountable including mandating e-verify. My question is why do those who object to the wall which will cost around $25 billion not care about the $113 billon that illegal aliens are costing us? The double layered wall would be very effective. Congress already approved 700 miles of it along the most porous areas of our border and that's all we need. That will force illegal aliens to try and enter in much more dangerous and impassible areas so fewer will try. The Border Patrol can take care of those areas.


Don't care who objects. Trump is president and he is pushing to have it built and I believe he will succeed no matter who objects to it.
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:02 PM
 
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Trump should use his own money to build the wall. The wall won't stop anyone anyway. Better off not giving illegal women Medicaid and food stamps for their crotch fruits.

Really?


San Diego Fence Provides Lessons in Border Control : NPR


Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, it works
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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60% of illegals never came here legally in the first place most of them were border jumpers. Only 40% are visa over stayers. Both problems need to be solved in a different way and they both should be.
The 40% figure is just a WAG. Another estimate by the GAO says 57%.

Bottom line, should we spend $15 to $25 billion to try to solve half of the problem?

BTW, did you happen to see the 70' deep tunnel that was shown on TV the other day?

Rubio says 40% of illegal immigrants stayed in the U.S. after their visas expired | PolitiFact Florida
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Old 01-28-2017, 06:31 PM
 
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The 40% figure is just a WAG. Another estimate by the GAO says 57%.

Bottom line, should we spend $15 to $25 billion to try to solve half of the problem?

BTW, did you happen to see the 70' deep tunnel that was shown on TV the other day?

Rubio says 40% of illegal immigrants stayed in the U.S. after their visas expired | PolitiFact Florida

The wall will help solve the border jumper problem immensely so yes it's worth it when you consider the $113 billion a year that illegals cost us and the loss of jobs for Americans, overcrowded schools, jails, roads and neighborhoods not to mention the added crime rates. It's already been proven to work with links provided. It will help deter criminals and terrorists also.


As for visa over stayers we just need a better monitoring system.


Strawberry pickers don't dig 70' deep tunnels. The drug cartels do that and this another problem we need to solve but there is such a thing as tunnel sensors also.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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The wall will help solve the border jumper problem immensely so yes it's worth it when you consider the $113 billion a year that illegals cost us and the loss of jobs for Americans, overcrowded schools, jails, roads and neighborhoods not to mention the added crime rates. It's already been proven to work with links provided. It will help deter criminals and terrorists also.


As for visa over stayers we just need a better monitoring system.


Strawberry pickers don't dig 70' deep tunnels. The drug cartels do that and this another problem we need to solve but there is such a thing as tunnel sensors also.
So, if the $113 billion figure you're using is bogus, is it still worth it?

From Wiki:Heritage Foundation Study

In 2013, the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation released a controversial study concluding that as of 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household. Many legislators, researchers and policy professionals from both sides of the immigration debate challenged the methodology of the 2013 Heritage Foundation study and its conclusions, indicating that the Heritage Foundation's estimated deficit figure is grossly inflated and such a deficit may not even exist.

Also:
https://www.rt.com/usa/357835-trump-...n-113-billion/

Maybe immigrants are not taking jobs from Americans.
Forbes Welcome

Criminals and terrorists can be warded off or seized with increased electronic surveillance and more Border Patrol officers. I think that this is the way Congress will view it, too.
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Old 01-28-2017, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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Trump should use his own money to build the wall. The wall won't stop anyone anyway. Better off not giving illegal women Medicaid and food stamps for their crotch fruits.
ANYONE? You think everybody can scale a 20ft wall or fence that easy? You have a lot of faith in the average human and their fitness level.

Google "HUNGARY BORDER FENCE' and click images. They had thousands of migrants blowing in per day. Not its like a dozen.

WALLS DO WORK. Maybe not 100%, but certainly better than nothing at all.

And like you said, cutting benefits is key too.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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So, if the $113 billion figure you're using is bogus, is it still worth it?

From Wiki:Heritage Foundation Study

In 2013, the conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation released a controversial study concluding that as of 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household has a net deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of $14,387 per household. Many legislators, researchers and policy professionals from both sides of the immigration debate challenged the methodology of the 2013 Heritage Foundation study and its conclusions, indicating that the Heritage Foundation's estimated deficit figure is grossly inflated and such a deficit may not even exist.

Also:
https://www.rt.com/usa/357835-trump-...n-113-billion/

Maybe immigrants are not taking jobs from Americans.
Forbes Welcome

Criminals and terrorists can be warded off or seized with increased electronic surveillance and more Border Patrol officers. I think that this is the way Congress will view it, too.

The $113 billion is not bogus. I can provide many sources to prove your sources wrong. Here's just two of them. It's worth it for the security of our nation and the well being of our own citizens in the way of jobs, resources and taxes. We can't sustain this uncontrolled population growth from illegal immigration either. What about the rule of law? Shouldn't that be the most important thing to consider anyway? As for terrorists, the FBI Director has said that those from known terrorist countries have slipped right in along with Mexicans looking for work and disappeared into our country.


Illegal Immigration a $113 Billion a Year Drain on U.S. Taxpayers


Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants
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Old 01-29-2017, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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People who say that don't get the whole picture.

By itself, a wall won't work.
Combined with all the other things America will do, the wall is very effective.
I agree. the wall must be set up 1000 yards behind smaller fences and areas will have landmines. The wall is the last line of defense and will have high-powered rocket launchers. gun turrets and drone patrols. Invaders will be put down.
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Old 01-29-2017, 07:07 AM
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Walls do not work.

Very easy to obtain entrance from the US/Canadian border that is un-walled.
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