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We keep hearing that Trump won in large part because of his stances on immigration. However, that simply does not jive with the facts. In poll after poll, the American people clearly favor amnesty (pathway to citizenship) over things like building the wall and mass deportations. The number seems to be somewhere between 60 and 80 percent, depending on the specific survey.
I suppose this is not really surprising, as granting amnesty is a common sense and compassionate thing to do for non-criminal aliens that are in everything but name just as much Americans as the rest of us. Heck even Reagan was for amnesty.
But I wonder, as Trump clearly thinks he has some kind of mandate to force a hard line on immigration, how is that going to mesh with a public that simply does not agree in large part with harsh treatment of illegal immigrants and continues to favor comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship? On the proposal of the wall specifically, a recent Pew poll found 61% opposed to this idea: http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/...common-ground/ And in the last link above an ABC exit poll from the election showed 54% opposed to the wall (along with 71% favoring a pathway to citizenship).
This seems to indicate to me that if Trump follows through with his far right leaning agenda on immigration, his approval is only going to decrease further, as where he seems to be going is simply not what the American people want.
We keep hearing that Trump won in large part because of his stances on immigration. However, that simply does not jive with the facts. In poll after poll, the American people clearly favor amnesty (pathway to citizenship) over things like building the wall and mass deportations. The number seems to be somewhere between 60 and 80 percent, depending on the specific survey.
I suppose this is not really surprising, as granting amnesty is a common sense and compassionate thing to do for non-criminal aliens that are in everything but name just as much Americans as the rest of us. Heck even Reagan was for amnesty.
But I wonder, as Trump clearly thinks he has some kind of mandate to force a hard line on immigration, how is that going to mesh with a public that simply does not agree in large part with harsh treatment of illegal immigrants and continues to favor comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship? On the proposal of the wall specifically, a recent Pew poll found 61% opposed to this idea: http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/...common-ground/ And in the last link above an ABC exit poll from the election showed 54% opposed to the wall (along with 71% favoring a pathway to citizenship).
This seems to indicate to me that if Trump follows through with his far right leaning agenda on immigration, his approval is only going to decrease further, as where he seems to be going is simply not what the American people want.
Looking at the MANY anti illegal alien posts on Yahoo, MSN and so on: MOST Americans are AGAINST any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens.
We keep hearing that Trump won in large part because of his stances on immigration. However, that simply does not jive with the facts. In poll after poll, the American people clearly favor amnesty (pathway to citizenship) over things like building the wall and mass deportations. The number seems to be somewhere between 60 and 80 percent, depending on the specific survey.
I suppose this is not really surprising, as granting amnesty is a common sense and compassionate thing to do for non-criminal aliens that are in everything but name just as much Americans as the rest of us. Heck even Reagan was for amnesty.
But I wonder, as Trump clearly thinks he has some kind of mandate to force a hard line on immigration, how is that going to mesh with a public that simply does not agree in large part with harsh treatment of illegal immigrants and continues to favor comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship? On the proposal of the wall specifically, a recent Pew poll found 61% opposed to this idea: http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/...common-ground/ And in the last link above an ABC exit poll from the election showed 54% opposed to the wall (along with 71% favoring a pathway to citizenship).
This seems to indicate to me that if Trump follows through with his far right leaning agenda on immigration, his approval is only going to decrease further, as where he seems to be going is simply not what the American people want.
All illegal aliens are criminals! Why be compassionate towards people who's first act on American soil was breaking the law? Is this the kind of people you want?
And if you looked harder, you would find polls that say the exact opposite.
After this last campaign season, surely you must have noticed that polls can be manipulated to get the results that the pollster wanted. Remember all those polls that said Hillary would win? Some even said that she would win but it would be very tight.
You seem to forget that all illegal aliens are, indeed, criminals. From the moment they sneaked across the border or deliberately overstayed a visa, they were lawbreakers. In order to survive in this country, they have to break even more laws. It's against the law for them to work here. In order to work here, they either have to commit ID theft, which is a felony. Or they have to use a fake SSN. Sometimes that fake SSN belongs to a living person who gets put into a world of hurt. Despicably, there is a loophole in the law that says it's okay if someone uses your SSN but doesn't use your name with it. If it happens to you, the SSA won't tell you. Rather the IRS will come after you for not filing a return for a job you never worked. Then there are those who get paid under the table and thus commit tax evasion.
Since you brought up Reagan, before he was stricken with Alzheimer's, he regretted the 1986 amnesty. That amnesty was supposed to be the one and only amnesty ever given. Instead, we've had several stealth amnesties after that one. Democrats promised that illegals would never be able to hold jobs. Now we have 8 million no-match SSNs in the workforce. Democrats also promised that the border would be secured. Instead much of it is wide open and on a daily basis, untold numbers of illegals sneak in. Plus who knows how many people come here on a daily basis on a tourist visa and never return home.
It's long past time to secure our border and finally, the wall will be built! Life needs to be made so tough for illegals that they will leave on their own accord.
And if you looked harder, you would find polls that say the exact opposite.
Perhaps you can cite some for me then? Shouldn't be hard to find. I found all these in about 10-15 min.
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Originally Posted by BOS2IAD
After this last campaign season, surely you must have noticed that polls can be manipulated to get the results that the pollster wanted. Remember all those polls that said Hillary would win? Some even said that she would win but it would be very tight.
These are national polls that I have cited.
The national polls of the presidential election were dead on accurate.
The final RCP average of major national polls was Hillary +3.2. The final results were Hillary +2.9.
You seem to be confused. This election did NOT highlight any unreliability in the accuracy of national polling. Quite the opposite, as the national polls got it almost exactly right.
What it highlighted was the reduced utility of national polls being a predictor of the election outcome, due to potential differences in the electoral vote from the national popular vote, differences that were greater than historically common.
The polls are false. Many of the polls were done before the people were educated, and they were done with great bias in order to push the amnesty agenda to win votes for the Democrats in 2016. FAIL.
The illegal aliens are criminals. Ever single last one of them. They committed a crime when they entered the US without authorization. In OUR country, there are consequences for illegal actions and in this case, deportation.
Your first link is a dead link, much like the interest in amnesty at this point. 2nd link: 2296 adults were polled in 2015 before the fact that illegal aliens cost lives and $113 billion US taxpayer dollars. 3rd link: telephone survey of 3,270 adults. I couldn't get the 4th one to open. The 5th one read "page not found" as did the 6th resource.
Did you get this from the "Hillary Daily"? Maybe they removed all the false links at this point.
Non-criminal aliens. An illegal alien is a criminal. Are you talking about legal immigrants? They don't need amnesty because they did not break the law. Get it "ILLEGAL" vs "LEGAL". I would think the terms would be self-explanatory! You can't just crawl over the border and proclaim yourself an American!
A major attraction of Trump's campaign promises was ridding ourselves of the illegal aliens riding on the taxpayer's back. $113 billion a year, actually higher now, much higher as that was the 2013 figure.
No need for immigration reform with Obama gone. We can now start enforcing immigration law and it will take care of itself.
Illegal aliens are criminals and are subject to the laws of our country. There is no harsh treatment. What about the treatment of these individuals: Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial
PEW is biased toward a liberal agenda. Everyone knows this, but good try. Also, securing the border is not a new idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 Most aware by this time, obviously not everyone, that the Wall will be a mix of wall, electronic surveillance, natural barriers and increased border patrol. We are going to get the job done and stop these free loaders before they get to the public assistance office!
Trump will only be following the laws that were put into place by the Congress people that we, the people, elected. There is nothing new here. Trump will simply be doing his job despite how offensive illegal aliens, illegal alien sympathizers and illegal alien exploiters may find that.
It is clear that the people want the law enforced. While illegal aliens use the emergency room 3 times more often than a citizen and illegal alien pregnant women get coverage from conception to birth, many American families are homeless, elderly citizens deciding whether to buy food or medications this month, children with disabilities having limited services because "English As a Second Language" draws from the budget for special education, homeless veterans sleeping in the park while illegal families with anchor babies are warm and safe in Section 8 housing..................
I have spend HOURS researching illegal immigration, lived 6 years in the Tucson area and now live in a city that is turning 3rd world because of illegal aliens, so your experience may have varied.
The polls are false. Many of the polls were done before the people were educated, and they were done with great bias in order to push the amnesty agenda to win votes for the Democrats in 2016. FAIL.
The illegal aliens are criminals. Ever single last one of them. They committed a crime when they entered the US without authorization. In OUR country, there are consequences for illegal actions and in this case, deportation.
Your first link is a dead link, much like the interest in amnesty at this point. 2nd link: 2296 adults were polled in 2015 before the fact that illegal aliens cost lives and $113 billion US taxpayer dollars. 3rd link: telephone survey of 3,270 adults. I couldn't get the 4th one to open. The 5th one read "page no found" as did the 6th resource.
Did you get this from the "Hillary Daily"? Maybe they removed all the false links at this point.
Non-criminal aliens. An illegal alien is a criminal. Are you talking about legal immigrants? They don't need amnesty because they did not break the law. Get it "ILLEGAL" vs "LEGAL". I would think the terms would be self-explanatory! You can't just crawl over the border and proclaim yourself an American!
A major attraction of Trump's campaign promises was ridding ourselves of the illegal aliens riding on the taxpayer's back. $113 billion a year, actually higher now, much higher as that was the 2013 figure.
No need for immigration reform with Obama gone. We can now start enforcing immigration law and it will take care of itself.
Illegal aliens are criminals and are subject to the laws of our country. There is no harsh treatment. What about the treatment of these individuals: Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial
PEW is biased toward a liberal agenda. Everyone knows this, but good try. Also, securing the border is not a new idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006 Most aware by this time, obviously not everyone, that the Wall will be a mix of wall, electronic surveillance, natural barriers and increased border patrol. We are going to get the job done and stop these free loaders before they get to the public assistance office!
Trump will only be following the laws that were put into place by the Congress people that we, the people, elected. There is nothing new here. Trump will simply be doing his job despite how offensive illegal aliens, illegal alien sympathizers and illegal alien exploiters may find that.
It is clear that the people want the law enforced. While illegal aliens use the emergency room 3 times more often than a citizen and illegal alien pregnant women get coverage from conception to birth, many American families are homeless, elderly citizens deciding whether to buy food or medications this month, children with disabilities having limited services because "English As a Second Language" draws from the budget for special education, homeless veterans sleeping in the park while illegal families with anchor babies are warm and safe in Section 8 housing..................
I have spend HOURS researching illegal immigration, lived 6 years in the Tucson area and now live in a city that is turning 3rd world because of illegal aliens, so your experience may have varied.
The polls you linked to are mostly Rasmussen which has been show to have a heavy bias in favor of Republicans and Republican leaning positions. Your argument that those are accurate clearly indicates you are uninformed as to their proven unreliability and your argument that the plurality of the those other polls are all false or biased indicates it is hard for you to accept the reality that your position is in the minority.
Same polls that said hillary had 91% chance to win
Again, you seem to be confused.
These are national polls.
The national polls of the presidential election were dead on accurate.
The final RCP average of major national polls was Hillary +3.2. The final results were Hillary +2.9.
This election did NOT highlight any unreliability in the accuracy of national polling. Quite the opposite, as the national polls got it almost exactly right.
What it highlighted was the reduced utility of national polls being a predictor of the election outcome, due to potential differences in the electoral vote from the national popular vote, differences that were greater than historically common. Hillary's percentage of winning that was computed from national polls was due to the historical pattern that the winner of the popular vote by 3 points would almost always win the electoral vote. So the popular vote margin of around 3 points was CORRECTLY predicted by the national polls. The only breakdown was the correlation with the electoral vote which was historically off.
The polls you linked to are mostly Rasmussen which has been show to have a heavy bias in favor of Republicans and Republican leaning positions. Your argument that those are accurate clearly indicates you are uninformed as to their proven unreliability and your argument that the plurality of the those other polls are all false or biased indicates it is hard for you to accept the reality that your position is in the minority.
Most of your links were dead and the others amounted to nothing when it comes to the population of the US. Your thread fails in that Trump was elected based on his stand of America First.
Since you want just polls, you have to be a liberal! If you read and comprehended the articles I linked in, you would see that you are totally off base with what AMERICAN CITIZENS want.
Load the buses and ship them out!
And, where the heck were you during the campaign season?
OP, Trump supporters have a sense of humor, so we appreciate your effort here! Again, let's just get it done. We have the databases. I don't think anything will be announced, the order will be given and the crackdown will immediately start without warning. They know their number is up soon, so those that don't go will have to endure whatever.
I also lived in AL and two thumbs up for Sen. Sessions!
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If you read and comprehended the articles I linked in, you would see that you are totally off base with what AMERICAN CITIZENS want. 
