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Old 03-05-2008, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Denver
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How about this:

Let's stop the hate mongering towards hispanics (mainly Mexicans). This means dropping the stereotypes that Latinas have 20 babies, latinos drink beer and drive drunk, steal and rape. Start calling these people what they are: Criminals, not Hispanics. Stop calling John "Juan" McCain, you may think it is funny, I find it offensive.

Also stop lumping legals and illegals together when talking about immigration.

Deal?

How about we start flagging posts that do the aforementioned.

Let's keep discussions civil and we may actually have a consensus here.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Here
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I lost all respect for Geraldo after the whole Al Capone's Vault Special.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:12 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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What you fail to see, Ken, is that most of us AREN'T "targeting the entire group of Latinos".
The problem with this statement is it isn't backed up by the posts that appear on this board. Look for example at the flood of nasty comments directed toward that 15 year old girl who testified about the agents busting into her house. There was NO indication in the article that either her or her family did anything wrong whatsoever, and yet all the folks on this board who aren't "targeting the entire group of Latinos" had nothing but scorn for her and her family. This sort of wild generalization happens over and over and over again on this board.

Just a few quotes to refresh your memory:

"Aww. The poor little thing. But wait! Why would an AMERICAN CITIZEN fear that ICE might come back?"

"... these people want to sue the people whose fault it is not. They back the illegals and the people that love them by ignoring them and looking the other way so they are helping to hurt their own people."

"It's just another BS sob story by the open border lobby to try to evoke sympathy for the poor illegal alien Mexicans with the ultimate goal of amnesty for 20 million illegal invaders."

"Oh waaa...cry me a freakin' river..

If legal Latinos would come down on the side of law enforcement and stop making excuses for their illegal countrymen, they wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

I couldn't be less sympathetic...."

"Then she should be made to serve in our military to maintain that American status. Again right along with all Foriegners that want to become an American. IF YOU WANT IT BAD ENOUGH, THEN YOU SHOULD BE WILLING TO DIE FOR IT. "

"Its just another way for some two bit lawyer to make alot of money and a name for themselves. And a way for the bratt to get money to spend at the mall with her friends"


Etc, etc, etc.
It goes on and on. And remember, this was AN AMERICAN CITIZEN - who, as far as we know DID NOTHING WRONG WHATSOEVER. She was targeted by authorities simply because her family was Latino. I actually have less problem with the actions of the agents than I do with members of the board here. I will gladly give the agents benefit of the doubt and suspect that it was an innocent mistake - though obviously that doesn't change the outcome for the family so a lawsuit is very likely. The posters on this board however had NO evidence to support their nasty remarks. There was NO indication that she had done ANYTHING wrong at all - and yet she was blasted here repeatedly anyway. Clearly folks here didn't care whether she was innocent or not - they attacked her anyway.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/immig...uit-tells.html

Ken
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Perfect example Ken, and seen over and over on this board unfortunately.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Mach50 View Post
How about this:

Let's stop the hate mongering towards hispanics (mainly Mexicans). This means dropping the stereotypes that Latinas have 20 babies, latinos drink beer and drive drunk, steal and rape. Start calling these people what they are: Criminals, not Hispanics. Stop calling John "Juan" McCain, you make think it is funny, I find it offensive.

Also stop lumping legals and illegals together when talking about immigration.

Deal?

How about we start flagging posts that do the aforementioned.

Let's keep discussions civil and we may actually have a consensus here.
Let's deal with some of these so-called stereotypes honestly, shall we?

Hispanic birth rate...

"Nearly half of the children born to Hispanic mothers in the U.S. are born out of wedlock, a proportion that has been increasing rapidly with no signs of slowing down. Given what psychologists and sociologists now know about the much higher likelihood of social pathology among those who grow up in single-mother households, the Hispanic baby boom is certain to produce more juvenile delinquents, more school failure, more welfare use, and more teen pregnancy in the future."


"The dimensions of the Hispanic baby boom are startling. The Hispanic birthrate is twice as high as that of the rest of the American population. That high fertility rate—even more than unbounded levels of immigration—will fuel the rapid Hispanic population boom in the coming decades. By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects."

Hispanic Family Values? by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Autumn 2006

Latino drunk driving...

DUI's culture gap
Latinos in S.J. account for disporportionate amount of arrests

DUI's culture gap - Arizona DUI Laws Attorney Lawyer Phoenix DUI Drunk Driving Defense Extreme Penalties In Scottsdale

Latino rape...

About the Child Rape Camps of San Diego County, California - A Crime Against Humanity inside the U.S.A.

"The articles here below describe one of the largest known child and youth sex trafficking cases in the United States to date. In one of several related cases, hundreds of Mexican girls between 7 and 18 were kidnapped or subjected to false romantic entrapment by organized criminal sex trafficking gangs. Victims were then brought to San Diego County, California. Over a 10 year period these girls were raped by hundreds of men per day in more than 2 dozen home based and agricultural camp based brothels."

U.S. - Mexico Border Region - San Diego Trafficking Crisis Index Page


It took me all of 15 minutes to find these articles using Google. There are THOUSANDS more. I don't like it any more than you do, but that's the way it is.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by LordBalfor View Post
The problem with this statement is it isn't backed up by the posts that appear on this board. Look for example at the flood of nasty comments directed toward that 15 year old girl who testified about the agents busting into her house. There was NO indication in the article that either her or her family did anything wrong whatsoever, and yet all the folks on this board who aren't "targeting the entire group of Latinos" had nothing but scorn for her and her family. This sort of wild generalization happens over and over and over again on this board.

Just a few quotes to refresh your memory:

"Aww. The poor little thing. But wait! Why would an AMERICAN CITIZEN fear that ICE might come back?"

"... these people want to sue the people whose fault it is not. They back the illegals and the people that love them by ignoring them and looking the other way so they are helping to hurt their own people."

"It's just another BS sob story by the open border lobby to try to evoke sympathy for the poor illegal alien Mexicans with the ultimate goal of amnesty for 20 million illegal invaders."

"Oh waaa...cry me a freakin' river..

If legal Latinos would come down on the side of law enforcement and stop making excuses for their illegal countrymen, they wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

I couldn't be less sympathetic...."

"Then she should be made to serve in our military to maintain that American status. Again right along with all Foriegners that want to become an American. IF YOU WANT IT BAD ENOUGH, THEN YOU SHOULD BE WILLING TO DIE FOR IT. "

"Its just another way for some two bit lawyer to make alot of money and a name for themselves. And a way for the bratt to get money to spend at the mall with her friends"


Etc, etc, etc.
It goes on and on. And remember, this was AN AMERICAN CITIZEN - who, as far as we know DID NOTHING WRONG WHATSOEVER. She was targeted by authorities simply because her family was Latino. I actually have less problem with the actions of the agents than I do with members of the board here. I will gladly give the agents benefit of the doubt and suspect that it was an innocent mistake - though obviously that doesn't change the outcome for the family so a lawsuit is very likely. The posters on this board however had NO evidence to support their nasty remarks. There was NO indication that she had done ANYTHING wrong at all - and yet she was blasted here repeatedly anyway. Clearly folks here didn't care whether she was innocent or not - they attacked her anyway.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/immig...uit-tells.html

Ken
And you'll notice that I didn't make ANY of those comments...
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:38 PM
 
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His Panic : Geraldo Rivera Won't Shake Lou Dobbs' Hand

I wonder how many know Geraldo's Christian name, the name he had on his birth certificate at the time of his birth. His real name was Jerry Rivers. He changed his name to sound more Latino and we all know why. He is such a sleazeball and not worth the time really. I will give him this though, the title of his book is catchy.
Yes, Geraldo Rivera by all means in not ''Latino'' or any crap he says or anyone says. And I doubt anyone believes him anyway. Outside of his name, I can't find anything ''Latin'' about him and I doubt anyone thinks immediately of that when they see or hear about him. He has no right to feel personal about illegal immigration.


I'm not sure if he actually changed his name though. From what I read, his father was a Puerto Rican immigrant and his mother was Jewish from Brooklyn. He was raised Jewish. This may be one of the few exceptions to where he actually tries to pretend like his Latin American heritage actually means something. If any of you know him well, you'd all know how more personal he takes his pro-Israel point of views.

His families been in this country for a long time. Let's understand one thing. Puerto Rican is not Latin American. That's white. And I don't mean that lineally whether it be Spaniard (which 62% of Puerto Rican descendants reported as ''white'' in NYC anyway), but I mean more in the time frame in which they came. Almost every other Latin American group not just in NYC, but nationally at statistical significance didn't come during the 50's and 60's.
And his family came during the earlier part of that. He has no right to feel personal about illegal immigration because his father and grandparents on his father's side were United States citizens. Being an ''illegal immigrant'' is primarily a Mexican issue and an issue of people who overstay visas, which is something his Puerto Rican and Jewish ancestry never had to experience.

Geraldo Rivera is Jewish first, Puerto Rican second. Does he even speak Spanish? I don't know how many Brooklyn Jewish lawyers try ''claiming Latino'' heritage, nor do I know how many who would take it seriously. He's better yet a rich white guy in the media who makes money off sucks like us. Safe to say, no one takes him and his ugly mustache and nose seriously.
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:42 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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And you'll notice that I didn't make ANY of those comments...
True enough, and good for you (I'll even give you a point (for your restraint)) - but the fact is, there are a LOT of people on this board who DID make those comments (and others like them, both on that thread and many others), and there is indeed a lot of hate mongering going on about this issue - in some cases against those who are totally innocent - and I don't think I am a "sanctimonious coward" for pointing his out and coming to the aid of folks who did nothing wrong.

Even if you claim that to be the case.

Ken
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Old 03-05-2008, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Small patch of terra firma
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Please stay on topic and keep your post related to Geraldo Rivera.
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Old 03-05-2008, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Missouri of course
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Puerto Ricans are considered Hispanic and Geraldo/Jerry is Puerto Rican.
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