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Old 03-24-2017, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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You seem to be confused, there is no requirement that states enforce federal laws, immigration violations are federal, not state laws.
This country would work much better if Feds and States and local jurisdictions worked together.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: la la land
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This country would work much better if Feds and States and local jurisdictions worked together.
And they generally do, but there are problems with the ICE protocol for detention. Instead of Trump running around pounding his chest about sanctuary cities, he needs to tell Jeff Sessions to find a way to give ICE Detainers force of law, that could be accomplished by having agents establish probable cause, or by having federal judges sign a warrant. The system is a mess, and the feds don't even want to reimburse local jails for holding federal detainees. In my experience ICE is really good at issuing a detainer and then forgetting, or deciding not to pick up the inmate but not advising the jail who is holding this person for them.

Miami incurs a million dollars a year in unreimbursed costs for holding ICE detainees. Trump just strong armed them into honoring these detainers and a federal judge in Miami just ruled that holding people on them is unlawful. You talk about putting a law enforcement agency between a rock and a hard place

Now ICE agents are whining to Trump that they can't freely enter jails and just walk around secure areas and talk to inmates. Well, having worked in a jail..that just ain't going to happen and Trump needs to listen to local law enforcement about how things really work in real life.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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And they generally do, but there are problems with the ICE protocol for detention. Instead of Trump running around pounding his chest about sanctuary cities, he needs to tell Jeff Sessions to find a way to give ICE Detainers force of law, that could be accomplished by having agents establish probable cause, or by having federal judges sign a warrant. The system is a mess, and the feds don't even want to reimburse local jails for holding federal detainees. In my experience ICE is really good at issuing a detainer and then forgetting, or deciding not to pick up the inmate but not advising the jail who is holding this person for them.

Miami incurs a million dollars a year in unreimbursed costs for holding ICE detainees. Trump just strong armed them into honoring these detainers and a federal judge in Miami just ruled that holding people on them is unlawful. You talk about putting a law enforcement agency between a rock and a hard place

Now ICE agents are whining to Trump that they can't freely enter jails and just walk around secure areas and talk to inmates. Well, having worked in a jail..that just ain't going to happen and Trump needs to listen to local law enforcement about how things really work in real life.
No doubt things need to change . But at least we are going in the right direction versus Hillary .
She had an open border and pro illegal alien agenda . Even had illegals come as guests to the DNC!

Also cities are complaining about the costs of holding these inmates but maybe they wouldn't have the problem in the first place if they were so welcoming to illegals .

In L.A we have a Mayor that has said repeatedly we welcome everyone regardless of immigration status .

Where do you think illegal aliens are most likely to go ?

Do you agree with mayors literally welcoming illegals to their cities?

These mayors vocalizing open border ideas shows that's simply what they believe and they will use every excuse . Claim they can't afford to enforce the law etc .
If they need money why not cut all funding to "undocumented" people ?

Problem is illegals aren't dumb . They know they can come to CA pop many anchor babies get food and health care for them . Elementary , high school , College education all paid by the dumb Gringo tax payers .
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:39 AM
 
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So Trump is going to withhold critical funding to cities because they disagree with his harsh immigration policies? States and local government SHOULD not be force to enforce immigration law. I bet any federal judge will agree.
The laws are already on the books regarding immigration. This is not President Trump reinventing the wheel. The fact that these sanctuary cities/states choose to disobey the laws is the real issue here.

They want it both ways. They want the Judicial system to protect them from the laws, at the same time they snub their respective noses at the laws.

Ludicrous imo
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: la la land
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No doubt things need to change . But at least we are going in the right direction versus Hillary .
She had an open border and pro illegal alien agenda . Even had illegals come as guests to the DNC!
I have tried to have a rational fact based discussion with you, and once again you have to throw in this Hillary crap. I'm done, I have better things to do
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:44 AM
 
Location: la la land
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The laws are already on the books regarding immigration. This is not President Trump reinventing the wheel. The fact that these sanctuary cities/states choose to disobey the laws is the real issue here.

They want it both ways. They want the Judicial system to protect them from the laws, at the same time they snub their respective noses at the laws.

Ludicrous imo
Specifically, what laws are sanctuary cities disobeying?
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Why not just do the right thing and follow the law .

They are trying to claim being anti sanctuary city is unconstitutional .

Ironic a state attorney that is supposed to uphold the law would disrespect federal LAW.

Also how do sanctuary cities ensure public safety when they let illegal criminals back on the streets ?
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The amicus brief filed Wednesday says Trump's order threatens to withdraw federal funds from states and cities that don't help the federal government enforce immigration laws.

Santa Clara County last month asked a federal judge to block Trump's executive order threatening the loss of nearly $1.7 billion in federal funds to local governments.

Becerra says he has a responsibility to protect state laws and policies that ensure public safety and protect the constitutional rights of residents.

California joins suit against defunding of sanctuary cities
I thought Californians didn't care.

We have seen page after page written by Californians who assure us that California sends much more to the federal government than it gets back. If their claim was actually true, then California would be threatening to hold back funds from America, not vise versa.
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I have tried to have a rational fact based discussion with you, and once again you have to throw in this Hillary crap. I'm done, I have better things to do
I simply stated we will get more done on immigration with Trump versus Hillary.
That's a rational fact .
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Old 03-24-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I thought Californians didn't care.

We have seen page after page written by Californians who assure us that California sends much more to the federal government than it gets back. If their claim was actually true, then California would be threatening to hold back funds from America, not vise versa.
Only thing these CA liberal politicians can do these days is political theatre .

See how they can out do each other and be Anti Trump . Just for the sake of being anti Trump .

They have no ideas for the economy or lowering crime rates . The main things most people want .
It's pathetic really .
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:47 PM
 
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States and cities SHOULD not be forced to carry out Mr. Trump's purge. Americans will fiercely resist his immigration policies.
They're doing a splendid job so far.

All I see is raids. Where's the resistance?
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