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Old 03-30-2017, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Sanctuary cities cannot sue because they would be violating the "clean hands" doctrine.
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Old 04-01-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Seattle's far left Mayor Ed Murray cited the 10th Amendment, and the city attorney cited the 'rule of law' (as he held up his pocket copy of the Constitution) as the reason for their opposition to Trump's immigration policies.


Seattle suing Trump administration over threats to sanctuary cities | KOMO


We are in Alice in Wonderland territory when 'rule of law' is cited as a reason not to enforce federal law.


For decades many liberals have pooh-poohed the idea of states' rights, even frequently claiming that it was a 'dog whistle' to white supremacists. Ronald Reagan in particular was labeled as racist for speaking of states' rights. By this logic, Mayor Ed Murray must be a racist too, right????
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:03 AM
 
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I could be wrong , but I just don't see this being too popular with voters even liberal or democratic voters that didn't vote for Trump .

Big cities have a lot of issues should they really be fighting so hard for illegals ?

I mean we aren't talking about veterans or senior citizens or kids here .

Also how is it mean spirited to enforce our immigration laws?

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"The Trump Administration is pushing an unrealistic and mean spirited executive order," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted last night. "If they want a fight, we'll see them in court."

In Seattle, Mayor Ed Murray said, "I'm willing to risk losing every penny of federal funding to stand by our commitment to protect everyone in our community."

'Sanctuary Cities' Promise Legal Fight After Sessions Threatens Funds : The Two-Way : NPR
If de Blasio KNOWS they are illegals he is breaking the law.

"[SIZE=+2][/SIZE] [SIZE=+2]Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)[/SIZE]
"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):
A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:
* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
"http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:06 AM
 
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Yes, we will see him in court. Cities and states shouldn't be coopted into becoming deportation forces. If the illegal alien commits a serious crime, turn him over to the feds, otherwise leave him alone.
To me, JUST being an ILLEGAL IS a serious crime.

If you DON'T think it is serious, why do even have and INS, immigration policies, borders, etc.?
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Old 04-02-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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To me, JUST being an ILLEGAL IS a serious crime.

If you DON'T think it is serious, why do even have and INS, immigration policies, borders, etc.?
It's a civil matter unless one sneaks over the border. Until otherwise it won't be seen that way on the whole.
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Old 04-02-2017, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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To me, JUST being an ILLEGAL IS a serious crime.

If you DON'T think it is serious, why do even have and INS, immigration policies, borders, etc.?
True . It gets dangerous when local cities of states pick and choice which laws they want to enforce .
In a state like CA punishment for many crimes are so weak as it is .
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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It's a civil matter unless one sneaks over the border. Until otherwise it won't be seen that way on the whole.
How do you come up with this?

Being here is ILLEGALLY is a FEDERAL crime. PERIOD.
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Old 04-02-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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It's a civil matter unless one sneaks over the border. Until otherwise it won't be seen that way on the whole.
They break the law if they overstay a visa, that is handled as a civil matter and they are just as deportable as one that enters the country without authorization. Chances of them ever getting back in the US after overstaying a visa and being caught aren't good, but then, why import people who disrespect our laws?

The first time they are caught, it is a misdemeanor and the next time, it is felony. Improper entry.

Is Illegal Immigration a Crime? Improper Entry v. Unlawful Presence - FindLaw Blotter
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:27 PM
 
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How do you come up with this?

Being here is ILLEGALLY is a FEDERAL crime. PERIOD.
See the link in the post below yours. Not a crime but a civil matter
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Old 04-02-2017, 07:28 PM
 
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How do you come up with this?

Being here is ILLEGALLY is a FEDERAL crime. PERIOD.
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They break the law if they overstay a visa, that is handled as a civil matter and they are just as deportable as one that enters the country without authorization. Chances of them ever getting back in the US after overstaying a visa and being caught aren't good, but then, why import people who disrespect our laws?

The first time they are caught, it is a misdemeanor and the next time, it is felony. Improper entry.

Is Illegal Immigration a Crime? Improper Entry v. Unlawful Presence - FindLaw Blotter
From your own link:

"Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.
But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country. Unlawful presence can also have negative consequences for a resident who may seek to gain re-entry into the United States, or permanent residency.
- See more at: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html#sthash.TI4PkUOI.dpuf"

Overstay is not unlawful entry. Overstayers can adjust status because of that.
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