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Old 04-25-2017, 01:07 PM
 
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Removals by ICE reached a peak of 409,000 a year under President Obama before plummeting to 235,000 in 2015 and 240,000 last year.
One thing to be aware of is who was counted as deportation under the Obama admin was changed, if I recall correctly they started counting people that were stopped at the border and immediately returned which wasn't counted as deportation under the Bush admin.


Why that is important here is the number of people trying to cross the border is way down thus people being immediately returned would also be lower. You really need a breakdown of who is being deported before making any judgements on the current numbers because the total "deportations" may not be representative of what is actually going on. While the immediate deportations would be down because of less people crossing the border the deportation of people that are already in this country that take longer and require more resources may be way up.
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Old 04-25-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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One thing to be aware of is who was counted as deportation under the Obama admin was changed, if I recall correctly they started counting people that were stopped at the border and immediately returned which wasn't counted as deportation under the Bush admin.


Why that is important here is the number of people trying to cross the border is way down thus people being immediately returned would also be lower. You really need a breakdown of who is being deported before making any judgements on the current numbers because the total "deportations" may not be representative of what is actually going on. While the immediate deportations would be down because of less people crossing the border the deportation of people that are already in this country that take longer and require more resources may be way up.
This^^^^

Years ago, the Obama administration admitted to cooking the books when it came to those deportation figures. Yet, there are invasion cheerleaders who insist on repeating the lie that he deported all those people.

Deportations come mostly from border, DHS chief says - Washington Times

Even if he did deport all those illegals, he went and undid it all by dictating DACA and trying to dictate DAPA until the fifth circuit court stopped DAPA. Even after the injunction, Obama ignored it and gave DAPA to 100,000 more illegals. Only when caught, did he finally stop. Not to mention, that he told ICE and The Border Patrol to not do their jobs.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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I'm pretty middle of the road with it. But many see it as urgent
Why? I don't think anyone is going to rescind the Dream Act anytime soon unless someone on the list commits a crime. But when some one on the list is finished with schooling they should expect to be look at as an illegal alien.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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Why? I don't think anyone is going to rescind the Dream Act anytime soon unless someone on the list commits a crime. But when some one on the list is finished with schooling they should expect to be look at as an illegal alien.
Because illegal is illegal is illegal to many. Also the Dream act never came to be. Deferred Action for childhood arrivals is actually not what the dream act was to be
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:36 PM
 
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Because illegal is illegal is illegal to many. Also the Dream act never came to be. Deferred Action for childhood arrivals is actually not what the dream act was to be
True, the dream act was defeated in congress but Obama used an EO to override congress' authority.
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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True, the dream act was defeated in congress but Obama used an EO to override congress' authority.
Dream act would've given a pathway to citizenship I believe
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Old 04-25-2017, 04:52 PM
 
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One thing to be aware of is who was counted as deportation under the Obama admin was changed, if I recall correctly they started counting people that were stopped at the border and immediately returned which wasn't counted as deportation under the Bush admin.


Why that is important here is the number of people trying to cross the border is way down thus people being immediately returned would also be lower. You really need a breakdown of who is being deported before making any judgements on the current numbers because the total "deportations" may not be representative of what is actually going on. While the immediate deportations would be down because of less people crossing the border the deportation of people that are already in this country that take longer and require more resources may be way up.
Beat me to it. The link also doesn't define 'removals'.....same as Obama's definition of deportations?
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Old 04-25-2017, 05:03 PM
 
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Beat me to it. The link also doesn't define 'removals'.....same as Obama's definition of deportations?
The term actually changed in 1997https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_proceedings
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