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Old 03-07-2008, 10:56 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Roughly half the illegals here now work off the books. You actually crack down on employers and you end up with 75% off the books. How do we gain from this? The feds lose taxes...the illegals lose honest wages. Only those who run these arrangements make out.

Note that there are lots of legals off the books. The construction business is fulll of them. Both the first class wall builders in the local area here are almost always paid in cash.

So do you fix the illegal problem or worsen the "off the books" problem we already have?
As the state of Arizona has proven, when you threaten to take away business licenses, businesses don't mess around. They stop hiring illegals on OR off the books. Citizens in Arizona WILL report contractors, landscapers, etc that they believe to be employing illegal aliens. Nobody is willing to risk their business. Anyone with any sense would rather take a loss by hiring citizens at a higher salary than lose the entire business altogether.

 
Old 03-07-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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As the state of Arizona has proven, when you threaten to take away business licenses, businesses don't mess around. They stop hiring illegals on OR off the books. Citizens in Arizona WILL report contractors, landscapers, etc that they believe to be employing illegal aliens. Nobody is willing to risk their business. Anyone with any sense would rather take a loss by hiring citizens at a higher salary than lose the entire business altogether.
Nobody is hiring anybody in AZ. Where do you think the empty Apartments are coming from? If replacements were flooding in there would be none. Just a lousey construction industry.
 
Old 03-08-2008, 05:59 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Nobody is hiring anybody in AZ. Where do you think the empty Apartments are coming from? If replacements were flooding in there would be none. Just a lousey construction industry.
Well then the companies will have to keep raising their offers until they find AMERICAN workers. If the US ever finds we are in a pace where they really NEED more workers, we can always let more in THE RIGHT WAY. And from ALL different countries.
 
Old 03-08-2008, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Nobody is hiring anybody in AZ. Where do you think the empty Apartments are coming from? If replacements were flooding in there would be none. Just a lousey construction industry.
I live here in Arizona and the illegal immigrants; most of whom happen to be Mestizo (Hispanic) are starting to become 'thin on the ground'.

If you do not believe me; I frankly do not care
 
Old 03-08-2008, 08:37 AM
 
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A multidisciplinary approach needs to be taken if we are to solve the inmigration issue, first the fence needs to be built, not perfect but a big
impediment for most people, I would freeze legal inmigration for five years, since we already have a surplus in professionals, identify current undocumented and provide a path to citizenship, it is unrealistic to beleive we can deport million and millions of people, finaly establish a guest
worker program, also what's so bad about a national identification card?
Why did Vicente Fox have no problem in getting rid of millions and millions of people -- yet it's impossible for us to do so?

We need to include deporation because illegals need to get the message that breaking our laws isn't going to get them any big rewards.

They can go back and get in line with everyone else throughout the world.

We don't need to deport all the millions all at once -- but leave them illegal, cut them off from all government handouts, and start going after the employers who are bringing them in. Deport them as they make themselves known -- such as when they are caught driving without insurance, when they are protesting, when they are trying to vote illegally in our elections, when they try to get food stamps. Give them emergency first aid in our hospitals but then get them back over to Mexico for their hospital stay.
 
Old 03-08-2008, 08:40 AM
 
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I live here in Arizona and the illegal immigrants; most of whom happen to be Mestizo (Hispanic) are starting to become 'thin on the ground'.

If you do not believe me; I frankly do not care
A couple illegals here got deported -- one for being drunk and disorderly in a bar. He went back to the ranch in Mexico and is working there. What's the problem with that? Another didn't actually get deported, he went to visit family and couldn't make it over the border after several tries and so went back to Durango to stay with his wife and kids. Not a big tragedy any way you look at it. He works over there, he sees his family daily now -- instead of every 3 years.
 
Old 03-09-2008, 11:16 PM
 
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And what about the national ID card comment??? I don't want to allow a bunch of illegal immigrants cause more government intrusion and infringement on my liberty by forcing me to carry a national ID card.
Take away the incentive to be here, and they will deport themselves.
Here we go with the scare of having to register with an ID, government intrussion??, nothing compares with the IRS.
Being an anesthesiologist, I wonder how do you feel about your fellow anethesiologists in the US many of which obtained legal residence in the US
through illegal pathways, just because the specialty is not a popular one, and
most positions are left open for foreign medical graduates, many of which remain here illegaly until obtaining some kind of pathway for legalization.
 
Old 03-09-2008, 11:23 PM
 
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Why did Vicente Fox have no problem in getting rid of millions and millions of people -- yet it's impossible for us to do so?

We need to include deporation because illegals need to get the message that breaking our laws isn't going to get them any big rewards.

They can go back and get in line with everyone else throughout the world.

We don't need to deport all the millions all at once -- but leave them illegal, cut them off from all government handouts, and start going after the employers who are bringing them in. Deport them as they make themselves known -- such as when they are caught driving without insurance, when they are protesting, when they are trying to vote illegally in our elections, when they try to get food stamps. Give them emergency first aid in our hospitals but then get them back over to Mexico for their hospital stay.
That would all be nice, the problem is that they don't get government handouts because legal documents are required by social services, also
they rarely seek medical attention at hospitals because of fear.
Our ignorance stems from the fact that we atribute illegal inmigrants issues from legal residents. As long as we are in denial, we are not going to improve the situation.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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That would all be nice, the problem is that they don't get government handouts because legal documents are required by social services, also
they rarely seek medical attention at hospitals because of fear.
Our ignorance stems from the fact that we atribute illegal inmigrants issues from legal residents. As long as we are in denial, we are not going to improve the situation.
Spin your words any way you wish; the borders need to be close/locked-------and, the illegals here need to be deported, preferably seizing their illegally gained assets like cars, money, etc.

They have the same rights as any other lawbreaker.
 
Old 03-10-2008, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Spin your words any way you wish; the borders need to be close/locked-------and, the illegals here need to be deported, preferably seizing their illegally gained assets like cars, money, etc.

They have the same rights as any other lawbreaker.
Agreed,
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