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Old 04-10-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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In Arizona (and some other states), we ARE going after employers - in fact, an employer can lose the right to do business in this state
That's a great idea, let's go after the employers, the only problem is that there will then not be the entrepeneurial enviroment for job creation, and in reality whst ultimately happens is that none of these laws,like the ones prviously enacted are enforced, I'd rather have the migrant workers coming up here to allow business to be competitive, creating opportunities for the rest of the us, instead of just shipping our plants overseas, the reality is that we depend on migrant workers.

 
Old 04-10-2008, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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That's a great idea, let's go after the employers, the only problem is that there will then not be the entrepeneurial enviroment for job creation, and in reality whst ultimately happens is that none of these laws,like the ones prviously enacted are enforced, I'd rather have the migrant workers coming up here to allow business to be competitive, creating opportunities for the rest of the us, instead of just shipping our plants overseas, the reality is that we depend on migrant workers.
The businesses that have been primarily hiring illegals are local in nature - they are not "national" or "multi-national" and therefore are not the ones outsourcing overseas.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 11:23 AM
 
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The businesses that have been primarily hiring illegals are local in nature - they are not "national" or "multi-national" and therefore are not the ones outsourcing overseas.
Soooooo, what's your point?
 
Old 04-10-2008, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Soooooo, what's your point?
My point is - going after employers who hire illegals is a good thing.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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That's a great idea, let's go after the employers, the only problem is that there will then not be the entrepeneurial enviroment for job creation, and in reality whst ultimately happens is that none of these laws,like the ones prviously enacted are enforced, I'd rather have the migrant workers coming up here to allow business to be competitive, creating opportunities for the rest of the us, instead of just shipping our plants overseas, the reality is that we depend on migrant workers.
Hell; it would make more sense to annex Mexico, lock stock and barrel---------and phase out the use of Spanish along with having US law applied vs. putting up with a bunch of insolent illegal immigrants.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 02:12 PM
 
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I'm not saying that they should not be in business, but if they employed illegals then they should recieve jail time or whatever it takes. The illegals would not be here except for our goverment and employers.
So we should get rid of our government and our employers???

Do you believe that McDonalds should be shut down because eating their food will make you fat?

Should Chevrolet be sued for making the Corvette which made some driver speed and get a ticket??

It's called personal responsibility. Illegal immigrants have broken our sovereign laws regardless of why they did it.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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So we should get rid of our government and our employers???

Do you believe that McDonalds should be shut down because eating their food will make you fat?

Should Chevrolet be sued for making the Corvette which made some driver speed and get a ticket??

It's called personal responsibility. Illegal immigrants have broken our sovereign laws regardless of why they did it.
I take it from your post, that you are against going after the employer, is that what you are talking about?
 
Old 04-10-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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My point is - going after employers who hire illegals is a good thing.
"but supposedly they work for locals, and these local companies have/don't have any effect because supposedly...... bla,bla,bla," do you know what you are talking about???
 
Old 04-10-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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I see over and over the same dicussion based in 3 big groups.

Group # 1, support illegals, in among other reasons because they mean a way to get things done for a fraction of the real cost.

Group # 2, wants illegals out of the country, period.

Group # 3, people who drop all kind of posts somehow related to Immigration but a clear rascist purpose, profiling foreigners in a country built by immigrants.

Regardless of which group you belong, AMERICAN EMPLOYERS have a huge responsability by offering jobs to people who dont have the legal right to work in America, period. Most of these employers do this knowingly, this is a worst crime than just being illegal.

Lets talk about what are called "consequences" of a bad decision. If a illegal get involved in another crime like killing, DUI, ID theft, unpaid hospital bills, indemnization to victims of crimes, etc, WE SHOULD MAKE HIS/HER EMPLOYER PAY FOR ALL THESE EXPENSES, including the ultimate deportation.

WHY??? Because thanks to that bad employer an Illegal got a job that allows him/her to make a living in the USA. Simple. If illegals cant get a job they wont stay here, GUARANTEED. They will start a huge self-deportation.

Finally, is so unfair for the people who lives legally in this great country, residents and citizens, to end up paying out of their taxes the expenses of people who were granted with a job by bad US employer. If these people took the risk of hiring illegals, now they have to face the consequences.

God bless America.
 
Old 04-10-2008, 03:35 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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"but supposedly they work for locals, and these local companies have/don't have any effect because supposedly...... bla,bla,bla," do you know what you are talking about???
Nobody ever knows what you are talking about because your posts never make any sense. Sorry but its true.
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