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Old 05-07-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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I'd be Ok with that if BOTH parents were illegal aliens AND if any anchor kids above a certain age like 18 or older keep their US citizenship. But the parents would still need to go back home.
I disagree.

I read sometime back that when parents are in this country illegally, they are STILL citizens of the country they came form and NOT Americans citizens.

Therefore any children they have are automatically citizens of the parents home country.
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Old 05-07-2017, 05:32 AM
 
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Considering that the "Citizenship Clause" of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution pretty much settled the issue, the Supreme Court will probably deny certiorari to any case that directly raises it. The reverent part of the 14th Amendment is as follows…
Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
If it's any consolation, folks born in American Samoa (an unincorporated U.S. territory) don't necessarily get automatic U.S. citizenship at birth.
U.S. top court rejects American Samoan birthright citizenship bid | Reuters
" pretty much settled the issue,"

If so, what are so many still talking about it?

If you read up on it, you will see that it was MEANT for blacks after the Civil war and had NOTHING to do with illegal aliens children.

Keep in mind that at one time the Supreme Court ruled that blacks were NOT "whole"people.

Many court ruling have been overturned throughout the years.
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Old 05-07-2017, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Y'all are fighting a losing battle. Instead of fighting to revoke the citizenship of American born people, the better fight would be to pressure the federal, state and local govts to pursue people (whether legal or illegal) who use our health system without paying. Many people come here to give birth without paying, while we are footing the bill. The Chinese have created an industry out of this.
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Old 05-07-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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I disagree.

I read sometime back that when parents are in this country illegally, they are STILL citizens of the country they came form and NOT Americans citizens.

Therefore any children they have are automatically citizens of the parents home country.
But if one parent is a us citizen then what?
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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This is all fun to talk about but the reality is that there's about zero chance the Supreme Court will revisit the issue and reverse itself. Most likely, it will take a new Constitutional amendment to specifically state that children born here that doesn't have at least one parent that is a legal citizen are not legal citizens.
This puts the U.S. in a league of it's own on this issue, being about the only country left in the world that allows law breakers to come here, have children and then reward them with citizenship. In some ways, the U.S. is still in the 19th century as it is with universal healthcare compared to the rest of the civilized world.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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" pretty much settled the issue,"

If so, what are so many still talking about it?
Historically, a certain percentage of folks within the United States have always been xenophobic. However, the issue of "birthright citizenship" has been the settled law of the land for more than a century. If it weren't for xenophobes like Rep. Steve King (R-IA) who's been on a quixotic quest to subvert the 14th Amendment for years, the issue would be as dead as most of the bills he introduces. Let's see if King's "Birthright Citizenship Act of 2017 (H.R. 140) dies as quickly as the rest of his "birthright citizenship" bills…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-...house-bill/140

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If you read up on it, you will see that it was MEANT for blacks after the Civil war and had NOTHING to do with illegal aliens children.

Keep in mind that at one time the Supreme Court ruled that blacks were NOT "whole"people.

Many court ruling have been overturned throughout the years
Constitutional amendments intended to rectify some of the injustices toward African Americans paved the way for everyone in the United States, including the children of "unauthorized migrants" and those of "aliens ineligible for U.S. citizenship." Apparently, some folks have forgotten that the U.S. Constitution can only be changed by amendment, not statute or "executive order." Thus, until the 14th Amendment is repealed, "birthright citizenship" will remain.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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I disagree.

I read sometime back that when parents are in this country illegally, they are STILL citizens of the country they came form and NOT Americans citizens.

Therefore any children they have are automatically citizens of the parents home country.
I catch what you're saying: I left out the part about FUTURE Anchor kids NOT getting any kind of birthright if BOTH parents are here illegally.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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This is all fun to talk about but the reality is that there's about zero chance the Supreme Court will revisit the issue and reverse itself. Most likely, it will take a new Constitutional amendment to specifically state that children born here that doesn't have at least one parent that is a legal citizen are not legal citizens.
This puts the U.S. in a league of it's own on this issue, being about the only country left in the world that allows law breakers to come here, have children and then reward them with citizenship. In some ways, the U.S. is still in the 19th century as it is with universal healthcare compared to the rest of the civilized world.
We are not the only country to do this unconditionally. 33 other countries have unrestricted jus soli.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Considering that the "Citizenship Clause" of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution pretty much settled the issue, the Supreme Court will probably deny certiorari to any case that directly raises it. The reverent part of the 14th Amendment is as follows…
Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
If it's any consolation, folks born in American Samoa (an unincorporated U.S. territory) don't necessarily get automatic U.S. citizenship at birth.
U.S. top court rejects American Samoan birthright citizenship bid | Reuters
That amendment was directed at former slaves....and it will be a hard sell to amend that amendment.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:40 PM
 
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I think the people who were born here are Americans under the law. It seems like many Americans want to see this law change for the future. Isn't the majority now Republicans? Why not contact your lawmakers and ask them to change the law?
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