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Old 06-02-2017, 09:28 PM
 
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Illegal aliens ARE foreign invaders. They can be held and deported for the sole reason of being illegally present in the US.
Agreed.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:01 PM
 
Location: New England
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This needs to happen to have a decision once and for all. Any anchors born to illegals will not be american citizens, but they will be citizens of their illegal parents' home country
After Trump replaces Kennedy and a liberal on the Supreme Court. Alternative is Republicans control 1 additional state, and call for a Constitutional convention to fix some stuff. Republicans are 1 state short.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Illegal aliens ARE foreign invaders. They can be held and deported for the sole reason of being illegally present in the US.
Nice try; however, you've merely turned your "fallacy of four terms" into one of "false equivalence." And, you've still failed to show any Federal legislation that explicitly classifies so-called "illegal aliens" as "foreign invaders."
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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You are wasting your time with that one, no matter what you show they will disregard it and continue their tirade. And you know that they cannot produce any evidence that their claims are true other than They Said So. They are not going to get their way and change the law, heck they want it to apply retroactively, talk about nutty thinking.
I know that one "can't reason with crazy," "argue with stupid," "convince the demented," or "persuade the irrational," but attempting to do so is a fun way to kill a little time and it keeps my research skills sharp.
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Old 06-02-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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I know that one "can't reason with crazy," "argue with stupid," "convince the demented," or "persuade the irrational," but attempting to do so is a fun way to kill a little time and it keeps my research skills sharp.
Actually this is as close to a rational argument as IC has ever gotten. All the normal nonsense about "domicile" and such to one that could be made to stick if there was a rational way to make illegal aliens into foreign invaders.

Of course IC loses here as well as "invaders" would require certain parameters totally lacking in the illegal aliens. I would also point out one simply kills foreign invaders and with great gusto. Perhaps IC would like that too. However IC will likely find it difficult to get support for such a program from either the citizens or the government.
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:09 AM
 
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You are wasting your time with that one, no matter what you show they will disregard it and continue their tirade. And you know that they cannot produce any evidence that their claims are true other than They Said So. They are not going to get their way and change the law, heck they want it to apply retroactively, talk about nutty thinking.
The law already exists. It just needs to be enforced.
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Old 06-03-2017, 03:11 AM
 
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Nice try; however, you've merely turned your "fallacy of four terms" into one of "false equivalence." And, you've still failed to show any Federal legislation that explicitly classifies so-called "illegal aliens" as "foreign invaders."
Sorry you don't like it, but it's true... Illegal aliens are foreign invaders. They can be held and deported for the sole reason of being illegally present in the US.
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Actually this is as close to a rational argument as IC has ever gotten. All the normal nonsense about "domicile" and such to one that could be made to stick if there was a rational way to make illegal aliens into foreign invaders.

Of course IC loses here as well as "invaders" would require certain parameters totally lacking in the illegal aliens. I would also point out one simply kills foreign invaders and with great gusto. Perhaps IC would like that too. However IC will likely find it difficult to get support for such a program from either the citizens or the government.
You're completely correct.

In a way, I'm hoping that IC succeeds in making a rational argument that "illegal aliens" are "foreign invaders." Combined with the "settler colonialism" work of Cornell Law School's Aziz Rana and others, IC could end up proving that at least 240 million descendants of "foreign invaders" are "illegal aliens." And, IC's ridiculous premise that the "offspring of 'foreign invaders' aren't U.S. citizens" would make most of the U.S. population "deportable."

As for the distinction between "illegal aliens" and "invaders," you fully grasp it. For those that don't get it, the following similes might help them to "rearrange their prejudices"…

"Illegal aliens" are like trespassers that will leave if one calls the cops.
"Foreign invaders" are like trespassers that won't leave until one shoots them.
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Old 06-03-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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You're completely correct.

In a way, I'm hoping that IC succeeds in making a rational argument that "illegal aliens" are "foreign invaders." Combined with the "settler colonialism" work of Cornell Law School's Aziz Rana and others, IC could end up proving that at least 240 million descendants of "foreign invaders" are "illegal aliens." And, IC's ridiculous premise that the "offspring of 'foreign invaders' aren't U.S. citizens" would make most of the U.S. population "deportable."

As for the distinction between "illegal aliens" and "invaders," you fully grasp it. For those that don't get it, the following similes might help them to "rearrange their prejudices"…

"Illegal aliens" are like trespassers that will leave if one calls the cops.
"Foreign invaders" are like trespassers that won't leave until one shoots them.
You need to take that up with England, France, Spain and so on. The US, Mexico and so on have been their own countries for over 200 years now. Too; IF we're gonna go there, the different Indian tribes fought each other, even before 1492, and, many times, weren't real nice to the losing side.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:38 PM
 
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As for the distinction between "illegal aliens" and "invaders," you fully grasp it. For those that don't get it, the following similes might help them to "rearrange their prejudices"…

"Illegal aliens" are like trespassers that will leave if one calls the cops.
"Foreign invaders" are like trespassers that won't leave until one shoots them.
When does that ever happen. 11+ million illegal aliens aren't unlawfully present in the US, some for decades, for no reason. They shouldn't be here. They're foreign invaders. Plain and simple.
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