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Old 05-18-2017, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Being here is not a criminal offense. Get over it.
Being here ILLEGALLY is a criminal offence.

Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally? - AllLaw.com

It's amazing how ignorant self proclaimed educated liberals can be.
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:22 PM
 
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Being here ILLEGALLY is a criminal offence.

Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally? - AllLaw.com

It's amazing how ignorant self proclaimed educated liberals can be.
That is entirely differemt from being here. Being here is not a crime and many enter legally and those who cross the border are not illegal if under age.

Amazing how ignorant self proclaimed anti illegals can be.

If you want to oppose them you at least ought to understand the law. To bad many lack the smarts to do so.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Being here is not a criminal offense. Get over it.
Being here illegally is a criminal offense, no matter how much you would like to say it isn't. If you want to be here then you have to come here through legal channels. Pro illegals are either liars or braying ignoramuses.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:03 PM
 
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Being here illegally is a criminal offense, no matter how much you would like to say it isn't. If you want to be here then you have to come here through legal channels. Pro illegals are either liars or braying ignoramuses.
No Simply not true. Children commit no crime and those who overstay a visa do not either.

Only adults who cross illegally violate a criminal statute and they are virtually never pursued.

Roughly half of the illegal aliens are not criminals. And virtually no one will actually be charged with a crime.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:09 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Being here illegally is a criminal offense, no matter how much you would like to say it isn't. If you want to be here then you have to come here through legal channels. Pro illegals are either liars or braying ignoramuses.
No, being here is not a criminal offense, unless you have been here previously and removed. Otherwise it is a civil infraction, more commonly called a 'tort'

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

"Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country. Unlawful presence can also have negative consequences for a resident who may seek to gain re-entry into the United States, or permanent residency.

Both improper entry and unlawful presence should be avoided by any immigrant to the United States, but an illegal alien cannot be criminally charged or incarcerated simply for being undocumented. To learn more, check out FindLaw's section on Immigration Law."
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:13 PM
 
Location: la la land
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Being here ILLEGALLY is a criminal offence.

Is it a Crime to Enter The U.S. Illegally? - AllLaw.com

It's amazing how ignorant self proclaimed educated liberals can be.
Ignorant? Your premise was "being here illegally is a criminal offense" and then you linked a source that does not address that but instead states that entering the US without proper documentation is a crime.

But Presence in the US does not presume illegal entry, illegal entry would have to be proven. Everyone here who overstays a visa is subject to a civil penalty for unlawful presence but they did not commit a criminal offense because they entered the US legally.
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Old 05-19-2017, 05:42 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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The number actually deported however remains the same. All this nonsense is doing is clotting up a screwed up system more.

What they are doing is picking the low lying fruit to look good. The problem is that low lying fruit fights back and is expensive. So them may well end up arresting more and deporting less.

And they may very well end up with less bad guys than the prior administration as they chew up resources on the lower priority cherry picks.
Sort of like Obama counting illegals turned away at the border?
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:22 AM
 
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Sort of like Obama counting illegals turned away at the border?
Bush began the processing of border turnarounds. It was continued by Obama and Trump. So the books are straight. Trump is arresting more and deporting the same.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:25 AM
 
Location: the Sticks
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Bush began the processing of border turnarounds. It was continued by Obama and Trump. So the books are straight. Trump is arresting more and deporting the same.
Good. Illegals need to be afraid. They should be terrified. So should the scum bags who support them. The days of illegals feeling empowered to openly protest our immigration laws need to be over. We as a nation have every right to enforce our laws.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We already denied a few immigrants with papers for renting through our office due to lack of income that can be proven as well as not allowed to work over here so how can they prove any income that is legal?

All of them claimed to get a green card very soon so we sent them away with the message that they can apply when they have a work permit that is valid for at least a the full term of one lease as well as proof of income or other proof of funds.

One had proof of $ 700 on a W2 showing the Muslim College in Miami and claimed to be self employed but no tax returns to show for and neither a drivers license that was valid for longer than 1 month and showed "temporary on it.

Another one got paid for his education from Saudi-Arabia and had no proof of funds for anything else so we asked how do you pay your car, food, clothes, etc. for and he told us that Saudi Arabia paid for it all, but he didn't have any proof but his proof was that he was still here for years and no late payments.

Another one came from South America and both applicants had no working allowed on their SSN and he told us he works under the table and so did she but she was 8 months pregnant... so we told them that only money that can be proven can be included.

It is unbelievable and this was for the last few months. That's aside from all the other liars we denied and who are from all background, race, etc.
Hopefully deported before the tax payers take the hit.
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