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Old 05-19-2017, 10:29 PM
 
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I smile as the deportations still occur. Ba bye.
And the same as last year...Business as usual. And the same Illegal alien count remaining in the US.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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And the same as last year...Business as usual. And the same Illegal alien count remaining in the US.
Interesting how you can count what you don't know exists huh. Maybe crossings, here? Nope.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:53 PM
 
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Interesting how you can count what you don't know exists huh. Maybe crossings, here? Nope.
Hey just claim scared them all away. No more problem right?
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:09 AM
 
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Arresting them is one thing but I bet most of these judges will release the majority of them who have no criminal record. Resist all you want but you and others of your ilk will realize that immigration reform with a path to legal residency is the way forward.
There already is a path to legal residency: go back to their own country and apply legally.
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Old 05-20-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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It's interesting that pro illegals like to call them noncriminals when they're breaking the law by being here, but it's not surprising since pro illegals think they only have to follow the laws that work for them.
Follow them around C-D and you'll find they support our laws in general. They see no reason they should have to follow a law they don't agree with. I just started to match up screen names spending more time in the P & C area.

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Being here is not a criminal offense. Get over it.
No, just entering without authorization. Working without the right to work which they do not have. Stealing IDs, selling illegal drugs, raping, molesting, stealing, hit and runs with their autos, working under the table................

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That is entirely differemt from being here. Being here is not a crime and many enter legally and those who cross the border are not illegal if under age.

Amazing how ignorant self proclaimed anti illegals can be.

If you want to oppose them you at least ought to understand the law. To bad many lack the smarts to do so.
Being anywhere after you committed a crime isn't illegal, but that doesn't erase the crime. Geesh!

Those that enter as children are DEPORTABLE and not legally present. Those that overstay visas are not legally present and are DEPORTABLE. They have no right to work in the USA, no right to a lot of things and once they partake of those, they become criminals.

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No Simply not true. Children commit no crime and those who overstay a visa do not either.

Only adults who cross illegally violate a criminal statute and they are virtually never pursued.

Roughly half of the illegal aliens are not criminals. And virtually no one will actually be charged with a crime.
We don't really want them charged with a crime. We just want them deported. Once we toss those that overstayed their visas or entered illegally, it will be a long time, probably never, before they can come back into the US legally. By breaking the trust and running the system, they have screwed themselves.

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No, being here is not a criminal offense, unless you have been here previously and removed. Otherwise it is a civil infraction, more commonly called a 'tort'

Unlawful Presence Is Not a Crime

"Some may assume that all immigrants who are in the United States without legal status must have committed improper entry. This simply isn't the case. Many foreign nationals legally enter the country on a valid work or travel visa, but fail to exit before their visa expires for a variety of reasons.

But mere unlawful presence in the country is not a crime. It is a violation of federal immigration law to remain in the country without legal authorization, but this violation is punishable by civil penalties, not criminal. Chief among these civil penalties is deportation or removal, where an unlawful resident may be detained and removed from the country. Unlawful presence can also have negative consequences for a resident who may seek to gain re-entry into the United States, or permanent residency.

Both improper entry and unlawful presence should be avoided by any immigrant to the United States, but an illegal alien cannot be criminally charged or incarcerated simply for being undocumented. To learn more, check out FindLaw's section on Immigration Law."
Still, they do not have the right to take a job in the US and when they do, they are committing fraud. Also, many use stolen identities, FRAUD, a crime: Illegal, but Not Undocumented | Center for Immigration Studies Plus they are ALL deportable per the law and we just want to enforce the law. It isn't a big deal as we enforce the laws against our citizens ALL THE TIME!

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Ignorant? Your premise was "being here illegally is a criminal offense" and then you linked a source that does not address that but instead states that entering the US without proper documentation is a crime.

But Presence in the US does not presume illegal entry, illegal entry would have to be proven. Everyone here who overstays a visa is subject to a civil penalty for unlawful presence but they did not commit a criminal offense because they entered the US legally.
Well, in the absence of a visa which would be documented, illegal entry is proven. If they are legally present, they should be deported per the law, again, no big deal to enforce the laws as we do it all the time to our own citizens.

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They can't find qualified applicants now, the job doesn't pay crap and 90% of the work is boring and mundane. The most qualified LE candidates go to work for local or state police, not ICE.

An internal memo in February from Kevin McAleenan, acting director of Customs and Border Protection, revealed that Border Patrol was able to vet and hire only about 40 agents a month last year despite aggressive efforts to streamline the hiring process.

Reports this year that Customs and Border Patrol might stop using polygraph tests, intended to ferret out unqualified agents, drew a storm of criticism. So did the reason: Two out of three new applicants had failed the lie detector.

Trump wants to ramp up deportations, but ICE probably won
I think they'll be able to recruit at a higher rate now that Trump is letting them do their jobs and will be on their side. As we know, Obama would not allow them to do their job and that had to be frustrating and result in "boring and mundane".

I know they have volunteers that man the border, so the desire to get the job done is there and those people aren't even paid, just patriotic and supporting the laws of our country.

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That goes BOTH ways there:

Many illegal aliens THOUGHT they were gonna get their amnesty after 8 years of Obama. He played their kind. Period.
I have heard that they were only stringing along the illegal aliens for votes and that in reality, Democratic businesses exploiting illegals didn't want them to have amnesty anymore than the Reps who were exploiting them.

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I smile as the deportations still occur. Ba bye.
Just smile? Where is your enthusiasm for the law finally being enforced? I jump up and down, clap and cheer. I saw a small caravan of them heading out of town and no way could I describe here the feeling. I am noticing some of their businesses closing up also. Probably want to get what they can out before the "knock on the door", well, the smart ones anyway.

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There already is a path to legal residency: go back to their own country and apply legally.
Most that support amnesty also support the government should give them free childcare, free college tuition, free everything which shows they simply don't have a clue. They don't understand there is a pathway to all things and a reason there can't be shortcuts to have everything one desires.

Seriously, I have started to see that those supporting amnesty have no clue about how one goes out there and gets it the legal way despite what it is that they are trying to attain. They never think about the cost and when it comes to illegal immigration the costs go well beyond the $6.3 trillion it would cost taxpayers to encompass the 3rd world living standards and the loss of lives and increased crime.
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Old 05-20-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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Overstay at the moment is a 5-10 year ban. Those with immediate US relatives can get a waiver with a little bit of work. Change that and things could also change as well.
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Old 05-20-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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And the same as last year...Business as usual. And the same Illegal alien count remaining in the US.
If you can get an accurate count, that means we can pick them up with ease. No one knows how many there are. NO ONE!

Also, criminal having crossed the border without authorization or having overstayed a visa is still breaking our immigration law. They have broken the law and their is a remedy, DEPORTATION.
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Old 05-20-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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If you can get an accurate count, that means we can pick them up with ease. No one knows how many there are. NO ONE!

Also, criminal having crossed the border without authorization or having overstayed a visa is still breaking our immigration law. They have broken the law and their is a remedy, DEPORTATION.
You have an accurate count on arrests/detains and deportations.

arrests ar up particularly of non-criminals. Deportations remain the same.

All smoke and mirrors. No manpower or funding to change anything...so nothing changes.

This is not hard stuff. Just read the numbers.

All those who cross the border illegally or overstay a visa should have been rounded up and deported. They were not. The task is now too big and it has been too long to fix. So we need to do what is necessary to get it back under control.
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Old 05-20-2017, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, not Paris. #MAGA.
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You have an accurate count on arrests/detains and deportations.

arrests ar up particularly of non-criminals. Deportations remain the same.

All smoke and mirrors. No manpower or funding to change anything...so nothing changes.

This is not hard stuff. Just read the numbers.

All those who cross the border illegally or overstay a visa should have been rounded up and deported. They were not. The task is now too big and it has been too long to fix. So we need to do what is necessary to get it back under control.
Deportations of consequence are up (i.e. deportations of illegals within the US seem to be up). Deportations that are merely border turnarounds are down, most likely due to Trump's language and actions making many illegals think twice before coming over.
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Old 05-20-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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Deportations of consequence are up (i.e. deportations of illegals within the US seem to be up). Deportations that are merely border turnarounds are down, most likely due to Trump's language and actions making many illegals think twice before coming over.
Source?
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