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Old 05-22-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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Undocumented is actually more accurate, definitely not alien since many are worthy of being here and alive.
No. The proper term is "illegal alien".

Many illegals, in fact, do have "documents". Some have passports from their own countries. Others carry around fake or stolen IDs.

Not only is the term "undocumented immigrant" incorrect, but it is nothing more than a euphemism for "illegal alien".

You never did answer the question --- How many illegal aliens have you taken into your home and are feeding, clothing, sheltering and paying for their medical care?
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:19 PM
 
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Well, I'm not liberal. However, I do support legalizing illegals so that they can pay their fair share of taxes to help cover the social costs they incur. I do not support people mooching off the social safety net, whether they are legal or illegal.

Being pro-immigrant and calling for social responsibility/good citizenship from illegals isn't mutually exclusive. I'm not a simp and I've acknowledged that the current situation is untenable. Hence, we should legalize those who have already settled here for awhile and pair that action with new immigration laws and strong enforcement of them.

NO, we will and should NOT send home a majority of illegals.
There is a big difference between being "pro immigrant" and "pro illegal alien".

"Good citizenship from illegals"? There is no such thing.

Why should we legalize any of them? Doing so is a slap in the face to legal immigrants.

BTW, even if your dream came true and they all got amnesty, they will be working unskilled jobs which means that they won't be paying any taxes. So much for adding to the coffers.

Once again, we tried amnesty in 1986 and it was a total disaster. Democrats promised that it would be the one and only amnesty to ever happen (There have since been several stealth amnesties). Democrats promised that no illegals will ever be able to work (We currently have 8 million no-match SSNs in the work force). Democrats promised that the border would be secured (Every single day, illegals sneak across the border or overstay visas).

Why would anyone want to repeat this disaster again? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

It's a mystery to me why there are those, despite the 1986 amnesty being a total disaster, want to repeat it again.

We don't need any illegals here. They are parasites who take far, far more than they give.

So...how many illegals have you taken into your home and are feeding, clothing, sheltering and paying for their medical care?
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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Well, I'm not liberal. However, I do support legalizing illegals so that they can pay their fair share of taxes to help cover the social costs they incur. I do not support people mooching off the social safety net, whether they are legal or illegal.

Being pro-immigrant and calling for social responsibility/good citizenship from illegals isn't mutually exclusive. I'm not a simp and I've acknowledged that the current situation is untenable. Hence, we should legalize those who have already settled here for awhile and pair that action with new immigration laws and strong enforcement of them.

NO, we will and should NOT send home a majority of illegals.
You can't just legalize 20 million people and think all the problems go away....


Welfare
Crime
Unemployment

The list goes on


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Old 05-22-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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Undocumented is actually more accurate, definitely not alien since many are worthy of being here and alive.
Illegal Alien
Also known as an "Undocumented Alien," is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen "out of status" and is deportable.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...volving-aliens

I agree with the IRS ^^^
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:27 AM
 
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Illegal Alien
Also known as an "Undocumented Alien," is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen "out of status" and is deportable.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/inte...volving-aliens

I agree with the IRS ^^^
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Old 05-23-2017, 03:19 AM
 
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Undocumented is actually more accurate, definitely not alien since many are worthy of being here and alive.
If they are worthy why don't they go back to nation of origin and apply to enter legally?
You of course failed to mention how many you would sponsor and take into your home. I am guessing 0.
As for your earlier post. What makes you think they would pay their fair share? Most of the illegals you mentioned would be low income and burden upon our society.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:13 AM
 
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There is a big difference between being "pro immigrant" and "pro illegal alien".

"Good citizenship from illegals"? There is no such thing.

Why should we legalize any of them? Doing so is a slap in the face to legal immigrants.

BTW, even if your dream came true and they all got amnesty, they will be working unskilled jobs which means that they won't be paying any taxes. So much for adding to the coffers.

Once again, we tried amnesty in 1986 and it was a total disaster. Democrats promised that it would be the one and only amnesty to ever happen (There have since been several stealth amnesties). Democrats promised that no illegals will ever be able to work (We currently have 8 million no-match SSNs in the work force). Democrats promised that the border would be secured (Every single day, illegals sneak across the border or overstay visas).

Why would anyone want to repeat this disaster again? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

It's a mystery to me why there are those, despite the 1986 amnesty being a total disaster, want to repeat it again.

We don't need any illegals here. They are parasites who take far, far more than they give.

So...how many illegals have you taken into your home and are feeding, clothing, sheltering and paying for their medical care?
Wait, I thought you were talking about liberals, not Democrats? They're not the same, you do know this, right?
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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No. The proper term is "illegal alien".

Many illegals, in fact, do have "documents". Some have passports from their own countries. Others carry around fake or stolen IDs.

Not only is the term "undocumented immigrant" incorrect, but it is nothing more than a euphemism for "illegal alien".

You never did answer the question --- How many illegal aliens have you taken into your home and are feeding, clothing, sheltering and paying for their medical care?
It isn't necessary to answer an inquiry about undocumented or illegal immigrants, that would cause entrapment were an honest answer be given. Nothing is really anonymous on the internet. As an aside, when people do something wrong, they cover it up with a lie so a fake ID is part of the lie. That in and of itself is not the problem, obviously. Anyway, this is why Professionals and Detectives interrogate with certain methodologies. And why parents, teachers, spouses, etc.. shouldn't dwell on the lie but instead why the person did what they did.
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Old 05-23-2017, 07:42 AM
 
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This is the Liberal dilemna. THEY tell us what WE need to do but when it comes down to it they are hypocrites.

A similar theme was recently seen in my state when marijuana was made legal. The Libs all patted themselves on the backs for being so open minded but now we are seeing the towns enact laws and zoning ordinances that would essentially ban a pot shop from opening.

Pot shops and housing/ support for illegal aliens falls under the "Not in my backyard" (but OK in yours) mentality of the Left.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Wait, I thought you were talking about liberals, not Democrats? They're not the same, you do know this, right?




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It isn't necessary to answer an inquiry about undocumented or illegal immigrants, that would cause entrapment were an honest answer be given. Nothing is really anonymous on the internet. As an aside, when people do something wrong, they cover it up with a lie so a fake ID is part of the lie. That in and of itself is not the problem, obviously. Anyway, this is why Professionals and Detectives interrogate with certain methodologies. And why parents, teachers, spouses, etc.. shouldn't dwell on the lie but instead why the person did what they did.
Just giving you some history about the 1986 amnesty. Were you even born yet at the time?

Ummm....If liberals associate with a political party, they sure aren't going to join the RNC.

Nice deflection when asked how many illegals you have taken into your home./sarcasm.

All you had to do is to admit that the number is zero.
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