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Old 05-31-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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These people are trying to sow fear into the hearts of law abiding illegals but it WON'T work. The majority of Americans stand steadfast with law abiding illegals. We will fight them in the courts, in the streets and everywhere until we achieve a just and reasonable victory. Public opinion is for immigration reform.
I don't know what you've been smoking but do you have some for the rest of us? illegals are by definition not law abiding.
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Old 05-31-2017, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Y'all need to stop being sticklers. Ok, is law-abiding undocumented immigrants better? I hope that satisfies everyone but everyone here know what I mean and I will continue to use the term to refer to illegals with no criminal record.
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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Y'all need to stop being sticklers. Ok, is law-abiding undocumented immigrants better? I hope that satisfies everyone but everyone here know what I mean and I will continue to use the term to refer to illegals with no criminal record.
No it isn't better. They are criminal just for being present in the US, that is IMHO reason enough for deportation. If they want to be here that badly they can apply legally once they've returned to their country of origin.
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:26 PM
 
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Y'all need to stop being sticklers. Ok, is law-abiding undocumented immigrants better? I hope that satisfies everyone but everyone here know what I mean and I will continue to use the term to refer to illegals with no criminal record.
If it's good enough for the IRS to called illegal aliens "illegal aliens", it's good enough for me and, I STILL want their despicable kind OUT of the US. Period.
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Old 05-31-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Y'all need to stop being sticklers. Ok, is law-abiding undocumented immigrants better? I hope that satisfies everyone but everyone here know what I mean and I will continue to use the term to refer to illegals with no criminal record.
Most aren't undocumented though and have committed identity fraud in order to work or get social services, thus I think that may just open another "can of worms" when it comes to the "law-abiding".
So, even if you knew someone was a rapist, because he/she didn't have a criminal record, you would consider them "law-abiding". So, they can break the law but until the arrest is made, you consider them "law-abiding"? Do you not see the error in this?

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No it isn't better. They are criminal just for being present in the US, that is IMHO reason enough for deportation. If they want to be here that badly they can apply legally once they've returned to their country of origin.
Actually, the criminal types we are seeing probably couldn't get in legally, yet another reason to load them up and ship them out. Some of the crimes they are committing couldn't have just started out of the blue, so I suspect many have a criminal history in their own countries.

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If it's good enough for the IRS to called illegal aliens "illegal aliens", it's good enough for me and, I STILL want their despicable kind OUT of the US. Period.
I just want to call them "GONE"!
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Old 05-31-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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For you legal eagles:


The defendant, native to Mexico, moved to the USA with his parents in 2000. He became a lawful permanent resident.


In 2009, when he was 20 years old, he pled 'no contest', in a California court, to the charge of having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend; it was not, per se, 'statutory rape', but 'unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor who is more than three years younger than the perpetrator'.


The US Department of Homeland Security, under Obama, then began deportation proceedings. An immigration judge upheld deportation, saying that the defendant was guilty of 'sexual abuse of a minor'.


On appeal (still in immigration), upheld, with that court saying that defendant was guilty of an aggravated felony. Appealed to Federal Court of Appeals: refused to review.


The Supreme Court: reversed.


U.S. Supreme Court protects Mexican immigrant from deportation - UPI.com


From the linked article:




"But the U.S. Supreme Court overruled those decisions on Tuesday, saying that the conviction did not qualify as "sexual abuse of a minor" because Esquivel-Quintana's girlfriend was 16 at the time of the incident.


Because the U.S. Supreme Court said the offense was not clearly defined in the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, Esquivel-Quintana does not have to face deportation.


"If those acts do not constitute sexual abuse of a minor under the INA, then petitioner was not convicted of an aggravated felony and is not, on that basis, removable."


If one desires to read the actual opinion of the Court:


https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...16-54_5i26.pdf


Interesting indeed.
Thanks for the link to Esquivel-Quintana.

While most folks here probably aren't going to bother with perusing it, I found it quite interesting that Justice Thomas delivered the opinion. His "reliable dictionary" rationale for the "age of consent" is pretty entertaining.
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Old 05-31-2017, 05:53 PM
 
Location: the Sticks
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These people are trying to sow fear into the hearts of law abiding illegals but it WON'T work. The majority of Americans stand steadfast with law abiding illegals. We will fight them in the courts, in the streets and everywhere until we achieve a just and reasonable victory. Public opinion is for immigration reform.
Law abiding illegals? That is a contradiction.
The majority of Americans were against the ACA and yet it passed.
Public opinion? Based upon opinion polls taken by biased sources?
Put it to a national vote.
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