Would You Accept This In Lieu Of A Border Wall? (hiring illegals, employment)

[dothetwist]

If this technology works (mounting sensors/cameras on simple telephone polls) along the US-MX border, would that be OK with you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/b...-start-up.html

.....he has a new start-up in the works, a company that is developing surveillance technology that could be deployed on borders between countries and around military bases, according to three people familiar with the plan who asked for anonymity because it’s still confidential. They said the investment fund run by Peter Thiel, a technology adviser to Mr. Trump, planned to support the effort.
Moderator cut: copyright violation

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

If this technology were proved to work by mounting sensors/cameras on simple telephone polls along the US-MX border, would that be OK with you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/b...-start-up.html

The problem is that detection still requires action that can be overruled by politicians.

Would you replace your lockable front door with a camera and an unsecured screen door?

[TriMT7]

I have always been in favor of a "virtual" wall over an actual physical barrier.

It's better for the environment/wildlife as well.



But, a "virtual" wall also needs to include as an additional component STRICT crackdown on employers who fail to use e-verify, and who brazenly flout immigration and employment laws.

In this country you can get slammed with massive penalties, attorney's fees, etc. if, for example, you fail to pay your employees over-time. But companies do the cost-benefit of analysis of hiring illegals and take their chances, because enforcement is basically non-existent and unreliable.

[dothetwist]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

The problem is that detection still requires action that can be overruled by politicians.

Would you replace your lockable front door with a camera and an unsecured screen door?

If the camera is tied to a manned security force, I would.

[Atalanta]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

If this technology works (mounting sensors/cameras on simple telephone polls) along the US-MX border, would that be OK with you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/b...-start-up.html

No, I would not.

A wall is a physical entity to stop illegal crossing.

Cameras won't stop them unless a person reacts to what they see on the camera.
Then we have altercations. A whole new ball game.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

I have always been in favor of a "virtual" wall over an actual physical barrier.

It's better for the environment/wildlife as well.



But, a "virtual" wall also needs to include as an additional component STRICT crackdown on employers who fail to use e-verify, and who brazenly flout immigration and employment laws.

In this country you can get slammed with massive penalties, attorney's fees, etc. if, for example, you fail to pay your employees over-time. But companies do the cost-benefit of analysis of hiring illegals and take their chances, because enforcement is basically non-existent and unreliable.

I read a report that showed in most cases the fines were less than the savings of using illegal labor.

In other words, it was still cheaper to pay the fines and continue hiring illegals.

Forget the fines, a criminal conviction resulting in jail time is the answer.

But again, as long as politicians keep ignoring the laws, I want a physical barrier that can't be switched off or ignored.

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

If the camera is tied to a manned security force, I would.

And if that security force is told to not respond? What do you do then?

[dothetwist]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

And if that security force is told to not respond? What do you do then?

So you're saying, after the wall is built, we can dismiss all border patrol agents???

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

So you're saying, after the wall is built, we can dismiss all border patrol agents???

No, but a wall is both a deterrent and makes border patrol agents more effective.

It's real easy to make agents completely ineffective, but much harder to do so with a wall.

Don't forget what can happen when this "security force" answers to politicians:

Whistleblower: DHS knew MS-13 gang members were part of illegal immigrant surge - Washington Times

“CBP apprehended them, knew they were MS-13 gang members, and they processed and disbursed them into our communities,” Mr. Johnson, Wisconsin Republican, said.

Yep, that security force apprehended MS13 gang members crossing illegally across our border, and even though we knew they were gang members, they were brought into our country after being apprehended.

[Casper in Dallas]

Originally Posted by dothetwist

If this technology works (mounting sensors/cameras on simple telephone polls) along the US-MX border, would that be OK with you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/b...-start-up.html

Nope because simple sensors laying on the ground can be picked up and discarded and can be defeated electronic wise. Not for a Wall either, better border patrols and monitoring, along with employers of illegals being rounded it up and arrested would do the trick and be far less costly.