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Old 06-17-2017, 10:34 PM
 
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How come he does not say "If you hire illegals you should be very afraid"?
Exactly! Huge fines. Jail time if you're a repeat offender.

I don't care if you're a mom and pop restaurant or a large factory.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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What we need is less venomous talk and more focused thinking on how to solve this problem that the US brought upon itself. For decades the US government under both Dems and Reps looked that other way when US corporations encouraged undocumented aliens to come to the US to work for spartan wages.

Pulling the rug out from under families who have lived here for generations isn't fair.

It takes no brains to yell Throw Them Out. But this situation requires some brains to sort through it.
This post should be pinned to the top of the illegal immigration forum. Great points.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Oh, please. I am fine with 'lllegal aliens', but 'undocumented immigrants' is fine.

Talk to me when he starts calling them 'helpless new Americans'.
Technically, those that have settled here are undocumented Americans.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Technically, those that have settled here are undocumented Americans.
Calling illegal aliens Americans is a joke and insulting to those that went through the legal process of immigration.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:15 PM
 
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Technically, those that have settled here are undocumented Americans.
They haven't settled since they never legally immigrated, that's why they hold the official title of illegal alien. They will always be illegal until they legally emmigrate. ICE director is just stating what has always been true, it's only a matter of time before they rounded up and given the boot.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Calling illegal aliens Americans is a joke and insulting to those that went through the legal process of immigration.
Do you realize the nuances between calling yourself an American as opposed to an American citizen? Or between calling yourself a national vs. a US citizen? I will start pushing the term "undocumented American" in the public domain because it signals a more inclusive and welcoming attitude to those otherwise law-abiding illegal aliens.
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Old 06-19-2017, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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They haven't settled since they never legally immigrated, that's why they hold the official title of illegal alien. They will always be illegal until they legally emmigrate. ICE director is just stating what has always been true, it's only a matter of time before they rounded up and given the boot.
They have already emigrated hence why they are here and we are having these discussions. You and others with similar thinking are the ones that will be given the boot for being inflexible, unfair and unreasonable.
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Old 06-20-2017, 03:32 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Do you realize the nuances between calling yourself an American as opposed to an American citizen? Or between calling yourself a national vs. a US citizen? I will start pushing the term "undocumented American" in the public domain because it signals a more inclusive and welcoming attitude to those otherwise law-abiding illegal aliens.
Law abiding? There is not a thing law abiding about an illegal. It is certainly fair to enforce our laws, and in fact it is expected.
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Old 06-20-2017, 07:42 AM
 
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Technically, those that have settled here are undocumented Americans.

No they aren't. There is no such thing. Either they have citizenship papers or they don't. If not, they aren't American citizens at all. Their nationality is that of their own homelands.

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Old 06-20-2017, 07:44 AM
 
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They have already emigrated hence why they are here and we are having these discussions. You and others with similar thinking are the ones that will be given the boot for being inflexible, unfair and unreasonable.

Americans are going to be deported for wanting our immigration laws respected and enforced? What's unfair and unreasonable about enforcing our immigration laws and if we aren't going to do that then why have them? Every country in the world has them and enforces them.
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