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Old 03-17-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Newswise — Contrary to popular stereotypes assuming that areas undergoing immigration are associated with spiraling crime, a study published in the winter issue of the American Sociological Association’s Contexts magazine reveals that such areas experience lower violence
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Sampson’s arguments are supported at the national level as well. Significant immigration growth—including by illegal aliens—occurred in the mid-1990s, peaking at the end of the decade. During this time, the national homicide rate plunged. Crime dropped even in immigration hot spots, such as Los Angeles (where it dropped 45 percent overall), San Jose, Dallas and Phoenix.

Newswise Social and Behavioral Sciences News | Immigration “Hot Spots” and Violent Crime Inversely Linked
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:58 PM
 
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Reasons commonly cited for the apparent paradox of first generation immigrants, especially Mexicans, are motivation to work, ambition and a desire not to be deported, characteristics that predispose them to low crime. Sampson also argues that contemporary immigrants tend to come from a multitude of cultures around the world where violence isn’t rewarded as a strategy for establishing reputation or preserving honor, as in American “street culture.”
I read this in the article and it made alot of sense. It is hard to see in reality though.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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I've seen this discussion several times in other places. What people either do not realize or choose not to point out, is that there is a gap in the statistics being used. Criminals, or anyone with something to hide from the authorities, are less likely to report any crimes committed agaisnt them. So, in an area rife with illegal immigrants, there are many UNREPORTED crimes. Everyone knows it happens, but since they aren't reported, they don't go into the official statistics, thereby creating the inverse relationship you pointed out.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:54 PM
 
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I've seen this discussion several times in other places. What people either do not realize or choose not to point out, is that there is a gap in the statistics being used. Criminals, or anyone with something to hide from the authorities, are less likely to report any crimes committed agaisnt them. So, in an area rife with illegal immigrants, there are many UNREPORTED crimes. Everyone knows it happens, but since they aren't reported, they don't go into the official statistics, thereby creating the inverse relationship you pointed out.
It would be pretty tough to prove your point, don't you think?
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:28 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I've seen this discussion several times in other places. What people either do not realize or choose not to point out, is that there is a gap in the statistics being used. Criminals, or anyone with something to hide from the authorities, are less likely to report any crimes committed agaisnt them. So, in an area rife with illegal immigrants, there are many UNREPORTED crimes. Everyone knows it happens, but since they aren't reported, they don't go into the official statistics, thereby creating the inverse relationship you pointed out.

"It is not being reported so we KNOW it is happening".

LOL

A pretty poor argument indeed.

Ken
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:26 PM
 
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I've seen this discussion several times in other places. What people either do not realize or choose not to point out, is that there is a gap in the statistics being used. Criminals, or anyone with something to hide from the authorities, are less likely to report any crimes committed agaisnt them. So, in an area rife with illegal immigrants, there are many UNREPORTED crimes. Everyone knows it happens, but since they aren't reported, they don't go into the official statistics, thereby creating the inverse relationship you pointed out.
It makes sense that if you were here "illegally" who are you going to complain to? You after all know that you do not have any rights. I have heard from some pretty reliable sources that it does happen in the desert. If you were in a country illegally, would you complain to authorities? I doubt most people would.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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"It is not being reported so we KNOW it is happening".

LOL

A pretty poor argument indeed.

Ken
Not SO we know it's happening. AND we know it's happening. That one word makes all the difference. And do you doubt the statement? Go into any neighborhood that has a heavy illegal population. Ask them.
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Old 03-17-2008, 06:54 PM
 
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Not SO we know it's happening. AND we know it's happening. That one word makes all the difference. And do you doubt the statement? Go into any neighborhood that has a heavy illegal population. Ask them.
They would'nt even get out of there suv. But there here to work jobs no one else wants. LOL
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I've seen this discussion several times in other places. What people either do not realize or choose not to point out, is that there is a gap in the statistics being used. Criminals, or anyone with something to hide from the authorities, are less likely to report any crimes committed agaisnt them. So, in an area rife with illegal immigrants, there are many UNREPORTED crimes. Everyone knows it happens, but since they aren't reported, they don't go into the official statistics, thereby creating the inverse relationship you pointed out.
I agree with Bill here.

About 20 years ago there was a huge problem with Vietnamese gangs attacking (probably) legal immigrants of the same ethnicity......yet most of those crimes went unreported.

Although; as the Vietnamese assimilated into American society, apparently attacks against them have diminished dramatically due to the good guys more likely to call the police and press charges.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:55 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Interestingly enough, over on the Arizona board there is a thread where it's mentioned that the Tucson murder rate is at a record high - and this is AFTER the new Arizona illegal immigrant law went into effect and many illegal immigrants have supposedly fled the state.

Now admittedly, this is just Tucson and just murder - I've no idea how the general crime rate is doing in the entire state, but to me the new Arizona law is a test case to show just how much crime is related to illegal immigrants. If the number of illegal immigrants drops dramatically (and there has been many posts claiming that is the case) and the crime rate drops, then that's compelling evidence that there's a connection. If on the other hand the crime rate does not drop - or as in the case of murder in Tucson, actually goes up then that pulls the rug out of the constant arguments that illegal immigrants are bringing with them an increase in crime - especially if the other states with similar laws report the same trends.

Ken
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