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Old 01-15-2018, 01:41 AM
 
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If the southern states want a wall, then they should pay for it. Why should the rest of us pay.
Well I'm "the rest of us". My state is northern and bordering Canada and is still flooded with latin Americans and drugs from there. I WANT the wall even if Mexico doesn't pay for it someway. I want the wall out of principle even if I were to move to say Mexico or China.
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Old 01-15-2018, 01:52 AM
 
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You should move to Poland.
How long will Poland be able to resist before being forced to multiculturalize by the globalist? But who knows Eastern Europe might end up the only rising star while the west goes to pot.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Kuwait
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https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-alr...-and-it-works/

Great to see huge reductions in crime there, via a Big, Beautiful wall.
Walls have been proven effective for centuries....China now markets tourism of their Great Wall of China....I've been there several times, it's cool.
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Central Mexico and Central Florida
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If the southern states want a wall, then they should pay for it. Why should the rest of us pay.
Both GOP and Dem Congress members in districts on the border are AGAINST the wall. We should listen to them as they are most affected.
No member of Congress along the U.S. border with Mexico wants to fund Trump's border wall
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:34 AM
 
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Actually, Mexicans hold the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country and family reunifications. It's just that we can't allow them all in. It's not only unfair to the rest of the world who would like to come here but we have no need for unskilled, uneducated and poor immigrants who end up being a burden to us. Immigration should be based on our needs not the immigrant's needs. That doesn't give them the right to come here illegally anyway.
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Old 01-15-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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If the southern states want a wall, then they should pay for it. Why should the rest of us pay.
Because border security should concern all of us. Illegal immigration isn't just a negative to the southern states but to every state in the union. Once they get in thru our southern border they spread out all over the country and impact all Americans. Surely you must know this.
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Old 01-15-2018, 10:18 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Actually, Mexicans hold the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country and family reunifications. It's just that we can't allow them all in. It's not only unfair to the rest of the world who would like to come here but we have no need for unskilled, uneducated and poor immigrants who end up being a burden to us. Immigration should be based on our needs not the immigrant's needs. That doesn't give them the right to come here illegally anyway.
I agree except that in order to understand the problem, we need to talk about real numbers. That way, those who say just use the system will be able to participate.

You say Mexicans hold the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country.
But what is that number?.........Currently, no group of permanent immigrants (family-based and employment-based) from a single country can exceed seven percent of the total amount of people immigrating to the United States in a single fiscal year.

And how many people are allowed in during a single year?....The overall numerical limit for permanent employment-based immigrants is 140,000 per year.
So that means Mexico gets 9800 passes a year employment based visas.
The family based immigration, as pointed out in the link, hits closer to 480,000.

Is that enough? I dunno. But I do know that it is pitifully small when compared to the illegals who walk in. In fact, it is so small, that it may as well not exist at all. That's why we need the wall.

My point is, talking about "getting in line" and "using the system" is meaningless. There is no line. It's like a Porta-Potty with 150 people in line.

Build a wall. It's the only way to make our policies and laws stick.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Where the sun always shines
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If the southern states want a wall, then they should pay for it. Why should the rest of us pay.
Same reason I am sure you supported Obama's healthcare for all and I had to pay fines to subsidize those that are poorer and happen to be sick more often than not.

The same reason %50 of the country pay taxes so that others can use entitlements. You're in bed with the rest of us whether you want to be or not.
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:33 PM
 
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I agree except that in order to understand the problem, we need to talk about real numbers. That way, those who say just use the system will be able to participate.

You say Mexicans hold the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country.
But what is that number?.........Currently, no group of permanent immigrants (family-based and employment-based) from a single country can exceed seven percent of the total amount of people immigrating to the United States in a single fiscal year.

And how many people are allowed in during a single year?....The overall numerical limit for permanent employment-based immigrants is 140,000 per year.
So that means Mexico gets 9800 passes a year employment based visas.
The family based immigration, as pointed out in the link, hits closer to 480,000.

Is that enough? I dunno. But I do know that it is pitifully small when compared to the illegals who walk in. In fact, it is so small, that it may as well not exist at all. That's why we need the wall.

My point is, talking about "getting in line" and "using the system" is meaningless. There is no line. It's like a Porta-Potty with 150 people in line.

Build a wall. It's the only way to make our policies and laws stick.

It is up to our government to determine how much is enough and the powers that be have determined what those numbers should be based on our ability to provide immigrants with jobs and resources without it negatively impacting our own citizens. Any reason why you would question them? I know we still have many unemployed Americans and our natural and social resources are being stretched thin. I don't know about you but I'm concerned about too much population growth also.


There must be a line as people sometimes wait in it for years to come here. You just admitted that with your porta-potty analogy. We certainly don't need those that are coming here illegally as they are the poor, uneducated and unskilled. What do we need them for? They'd end up on the public dole and a burden rather than a benefit to our country. Here's a link proving that many of them are already.


https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...llect-welfare/
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Old 01-15-2018, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Both GOP and Dem Congress members in districts on the border are AGAINST the wall. We should listen to them as they are most affected.
No member of Congress along the U.S. border with Mexico wants to fund Trump's border wall
Well, there is more to the US than a few states on the border, and I know many people that don't benefit off of the illegals want the border secure.

Most affected, seriously? What about the $117 billion taxpayer dollars a year they steal from us, the education and jobs they steal, the lives they steal. Do you think maybe families of these people feel affected by illegal immigration? Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial Do you think those on waiting lists for public housing while illegal aliens are living in public housing riding the coattails of their anchors are affected. And, then there are the viruses and diseases that spread through our population.

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Because border security should concern all of us. Illegal immigration isn't just a negative to the southern states but to every state in the union. Once they get in thru our southern border they spread out all over the country and impact all Americans. Surely you must know this.
I don't think the problem is knowing, it is giving a darn. Those that are illegal, belong to families with illegals, rent to illegals, legally represent illegals, sell to illegals, employ illegals are blind to the reality.

Also came across this interesting article trying to educate someone on FB about "the wall": https://azbigmedia.com/cbp-border-wa...ural-barriers/
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