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Old 01-23-2018, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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You would have loved living during the Great Depression. What difference does low prices make if you can't get a job or your business fails due to lack of customers?

Seriously, where do conservatives come up with this crap? Kick out 11 million paying customers and Americans will suddenly be able to buy beachfront homes for 100k with the $30 an hour they will make picking crops, lmao.
Well, they could, if, like the cultures they love to demonize, they saved and pooled their money instead of spending it on lattes and iPhones.

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Old 01-23-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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We wouldn't have to deport anybody.

All we have to do is go after landlords that rent to illegals with ridiculous fines. We could do random sweeps, and then no one would rent to illegal immigrants, and they would have no choice but to go back to their own countries.


Landlords have property rights and fair housing laws on their side.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Well, they could, if, like the cultures they love to demonize, they saved and pooled their money instead of spending it on lattes and iPhones.

How would poor people be able to do this? The ones I work with can't afford lattes and iPhones.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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Landlords have property rights and fair housing laws on their side.
Sure they do. But there are no property rights that allow landlords to house illegal immigrants for profit.

We could easily go after them.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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Eh, they would be slower and more expensive. I prefer illegals to cut my grass, they work much cheaper and harder with the threat of ICE and deportation hanging over their heads, especially these days.

We should definitely deport a bunch just for good measure but we have to keep a few around to get the real ****** jobs done.
So, you see no problem with aiding and abetting illegal behavior Then you talk about them working cheaper and harder which means you prefer cheap, illegal, exploitable labor. That's despicable.

Have you checked the laws in your state? In my state if someone who isn't licensed and insured works on your property and gets injured, homeowner's insurance won't cover it. So, if an illegal gets injured and sues you, have fun paying it all right out of your pocket.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:56 AM
 
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So not true. There is no big movement of American born unskilled laborers being pushed out of jobs by illegal immigrants. It just isn't true.
Oh really? For starters, why don't you read up on Americans who worked in the construction trades and lost their livelihood because they couldn't compete with sleazy contractors who hire illegals and pay them under the table.

Are you really that uninformed?
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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Because the immigrants work for less they are unskilled.

Oh.
Uh huh. And the result of that is shoddy construction work.
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Old 01-23-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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Exactly.

People have some romantic notion that the only reason that Americans aren't working construction, etc. is because they cannot get those jobs.
In reality, companies have to offer all sorts of incentives, including free training as is being done in my area, to get Americans to even consider these trades and even then, it's not a sure bet that they are going to want to give up the comfort of a cubicle for extreme manual labor.

At some point, when a lot of these people were not paying attention, Americans started telling their children that they are better than manual labor. That they didn't work 12-14 hour days to have their kids get their hands dirty. That they would be the first generation to go to college because that is the American dream.

Too many want to blame the illegals and other immigrants for the situation that Americans have created.
These jobs weren't taken away. They were given away so that our kids could aim higher. That's why even the most menial office job often requires a bachelor's degree. Got to maintain that illusion of American success.

Not the fault of the Mexicans or the Ukrainians or the Vietnamese... that Americans believe that they are too good to clean houses or cut grass or "do" nails.
The question we should be asking is why are they able to impress the importance of working these sorts of jobs on their kids when we no longer do or want to?

Not true. Americans have always done construction work for a fair wage. They were ran off those jobs by greedy builders and illegal aliens by working for less. They used to pay a liveable wage. Blue-collared families tend to pass hard work on to their kids and many Americans don't want to be white-collared desk jockies nor can they afford to go to college. The American dream can be attained through hard work to.


Americans have not created this situation our government has by not securing our border and not enforcing our immigration laws along with a wink and a nod to the greedy employers while they broke the law. So, yes illegal aliens are just as guilty as they are. Where are you getting the notion that Americans will no longer clean houses, take commercial landscaping jobs, etc.? It's not true that Americans will no longer do blue-collared jobs or that their kids won't either.
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Old 01-23-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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So, you see no problem with aiding and abetting illegal behavior Then you talk about them working cheaper and harder which means you prefer cheap, illegal, exploitable labor. That's despicable.

Have you checked the laws in your state? In my state if someone who isn't licensed and insured works on your property and gets injured, homeowner's insurance won't cover it. So, if an illegal gets injured and sues you, have fun paying it all right out of your pocket.

Have you noticed the number of times in defense of illegal aliens how crop picking is brought up? Apparently, they don't know that only 2-4% of illegal aliens are picking crops and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal workers. The rest of the illegal alien population are working jobs that Americans used to do for a fair wage.


We don't need illegal aliens to boost our economy in any way. If Americans got those jobs back they in turn would be contributing to our economy and we'd no longer have to be pay over $100 billion a year for the social costs of illegal immigration. As you know, they also send billions out of our country to their homelands not spent in our economy. That wouldn't be the case with an American worker.
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Old 01-23-2018, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Eh, they would be slower and more expensive. I prefer illegals to cut my grass, they work much cheaper and harder with the threat of ICE and deportation hanging over their heads, especially these days.

We should definitely deport a bunch just for good measure but we have to keep a few around to get the real ****** jobs done.
Why can't you cut your own grass? We do.
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