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Old 01-23-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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As we all know the DACA situation is a mess. Reps want to send them back and the Dems are now expecting amnesty since they "caved" and funded the gov. at least for the next few weeks with the promise that they will all debate about the DACA "kids" .
I put "kids" in quotes because most of these people are adults.

They admit that there are nearly 800,000 people that are in the DACA program and maybe there should be a compromise that they can stay? I imagine that many of them have been working and they have roots in our society so perhaps they should be allowed to stay. If any of them are in prison then why would we want them? Send them back!

But here is a question. The DACA kids are here because their parents brought them into the country illegally which makes the parents illegal aliens.


If the Reps and Dems can come to terms on this which I doubt I would like to see the responsible DACA people that are members of the community and contributing to the betterment of America be allowed to stay BUT there will be NO "Chain Migration" meaning their parents will still be illegal. The children of the DACA people will be allowed to stay.

If they all want to go back to their homeland that is fine but don't be surprised when ICE runs out of criminal illegals and they come calling to your house and tell you it is time to go back home and get in line for legal immigration.


I think this would be a good compromise that even Schumer could get behind.
The children of the DACAs would be US citizens, so of course they would be allowed to stay.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:32 AM
 
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As a legal immigrant, DACA is amnesty pure and simple. They should go be sent back rather than shoved in front of legal immigrants.
Pull that ladder up now that you have what you want.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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I tend to agree with the OP's suggestion. But, once someone is found to satisfy all the rules of DACA (listed above), I think they should be offered protection from deportation but then have to apply for citizenship just like anyone else. I don't agree with automatic citizenship.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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That just makes you a legal immigrant prick. How about some logical reasoning for why they shouldn't be allowed to stay? Moral reasoning? Many of them are kids who were brought here and had no choice in the matter. This is the land they know.

Have a heart and don't be such a selfish POS. I think OP's compromise is fine.
Be mad at your parents anchor. That dude did nothing to you and the only law breaking was by your own.
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Old 01-23-2018, 10:45 AM
 
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That just makes you a legal immigrant prick. How about some logical reasoning for why they shouldn't be allowed to stay? Moral reasoning? Many of them are kids who were brought here and had no choice in the matter. This is the land they know.

Have a heart and don't be such a selfish POS. I think OP's compromise is fine.

No one is a prick who doesn't want those in our country illegally, rewarded. Giving their kids amnesty would be rewarding their parents for bringing them here illegally and kids shouldn't benefit from their parent's law breaking either. It would set a precedence that all you have to do is sneak your kids over the border and they are home free and it's not fair to immigrants who came here the right way.


Here's my reasons for not wanting them to be able to stay besides the above. The DACAs number at least 800,000 that would be the number of jobs that wouldn't go to Americans and it would further deplete our natural and social resources. They are mostly of the child bearing age and just think what that would do to our population growth. They'd all end up voting for the Democrats to. It would negate our annual quotas for legal immigration. They were taught the language and culture of their homelands by their parents so this is not the only land they know. Land is just a piece of dirt. They are also demanding that their parents get to remain here that would be the next battle in congress. They need to go home with their parents and apply to come back legally and wait their turn.


We should have heart for the American citizens who have lost their jobs to illegal aliens, been taxed through the roof and suffered overcrowded schools, jails, hospitals, roads and neighborhoods due to illegal immigration.

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Old 01-23-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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I tend to agree with the OP's suggestion. But, once someone is found to satisfy all the rules of DACA (listed above), I think they should be offered protection from deportation but then have to apply for citizenship just like anyone else. I don't agree with automatic citizenship.
DACA recipients were NEVER promised "automatic citizenship." All DACA offered was a renewable deferral from deportation.

One interesting solution that I heard Rep. Issa (a Republican) mention on a local radio show was temporarily suspending the "diversity lottery" for immigration for a period and opening those "slots" to DACA recipients to apply for. Citizenship still would not be automatic, and they'd have to pass rigorous screening. According to Issa, in two years all CURRENT DACA recipients could have their legal status resolved one way or another. Then the door to DACA would close.

That makes sense to me; I've never understood the "diversity lottery" idea. Why should someone without any ties to the U.S. just "win" a spot here because they come from a particular country? So as part of immigration reform, I'd like to see that changed as well.

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Old 01-23-2018, 10:54 AM
 
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Dems just want them for future votes...give em amnesty then chain migrate 20 million more...it should be a one time amnesty no citizenship,can't vote no family reunification. If they don't like it they can leave or be deported. They really have no bargaining power. Why not make them serve in the military or build the wall for minimim wage
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:11 AM
 
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You can "want" to send them back all you want. Sending them back is quite another story.
Because Democrats would rather vote for the illegal aliens than for the CHIP.

Simply, Democrats value illegal aliens more than American children, particularly, children of the poor.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Why not make them serve in the military or build the wall for minimim wage
Actually, I have met several DACA recipients who would GLADLY serve in the U.S. military or do other voluntary service if it offered a path to permanent legal status (that's different than citizenship).

So, I think that is not a bad idea at all.
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Old 01-23-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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As a legal immigrant, DACA is amnesty pure and simple. They should go be sent back rather than shoved in front of legal immigrants.
Agree 100%!

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I don't think people understand what it takes to qualify for DACA.


Guidelines
You may request DACA if you:
  1. Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;
  2. Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;
  3. Have continuously resided in the United States since June 15, 2007, up to the present time;
  4. Were physically present in the United States on June 15, 2012, and at the time of making your request for consideration of deferred action with USCIS;
  5. Had no lawful status on June 15, 2012;
  6. Are currently in school, have graduated or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, have obtained a general education development (GED) certificate, or are an honorably discharged veteran of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States; and
  7. Have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor,or three or more other misdemeanors, and do not otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety.
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/c...aca#guidelines


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Violate any of these guidelines and your DACA status will be revoked and you should be deported.
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No. If we make any exceptions for massive amounts of people, then we have no laws. Nobody will ever take our immigration laws seriously.

Part of the reason we have this problem today, is because we gave all illegals amnesty back in the 1980s. What that did was encourage more massive illegal immigration.

People need to learn that illegal immigration is not an option. If we keep legitimizing them, then we will always have this problem. We have to stop it now.
Well, over 2,000 have been convicted of crimes and are no longer on the DACA list. Seems that vetting wasn't very good.

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You can "want" to send them back all you want. Sending them back is quite another story.
One by one.

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The children of the DACAs would be US citizens, so of course they would be allowed to stay.
Yes, even if their parents are deported. The children could go to relatives (keep the welfare check coming in) if the parents didn't want them or into the foster care system.

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Because Democrats would rather vote for the illegal aliens than for the CHIP.

Simply, Democrats value illegal aliens more than American children, particularly, children of the poor.
Yep, the motto for 2018 midterms and 2020 POTUS election.

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Actually, I have met several DACA recipients who would GLADLY serve in the U.S. military or do other voluntary service if it offered a path to permanent legal status (that's different than citizenship).

So, I think that is not a bad idea at all.
I know some American citizens who would like to serve, but getting in isn't as easy as it used to be with all the cuts that Obama made to the military. I don't want DACA in the military, that should be reserved for citizens. Let them go home and earn their way here.

We all know this is about "foot in the door" and keeping ALL of them here. Just say "NO!"
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