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Old 01-25-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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As a legal immigrant, DACA is amnesty pure and simple. They should go be sent back rather than shoved in front of legal immigrants.
Agree 100%.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:20 AM
 
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Gonna go ahead and stop you right there.


Some people are waiting 20+ years to come here legally. These are people who are by and large not immediate relatives of US citizens/GC holders and they almost always come from Mexico, China, India, or the Philippines. There is a reason for this....these people don't qualify in other categories and we have quotas for each category of family reunification except spouses & minor children of US citizens (no quotas). If we didn't have per-country caps, without increasing the # of visas granted in these arcane, low-priority family categories, they'd go almost exclusively to people from Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines. That's hardly fair. And why should we increase the # of visas granted? We don't need to. It's not like we need more people from Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines. We have tons of them already. If we didn't, their family members wouldn't be jamming the system with applications for green cards. That's why it takes so long if you're from one of those countries: SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN LINE AHEAD OF YOU.


If you're a Mexican guy in your 50s and your brother got amnestied in 1986 and you applied for your green card in like...1992...then yeah, you're gonna wait a while. Guess what, though? Pretty much no other first world country would afford you the opportunity to immigrate there based on the fact that your brother lives there. We have an exceedingly generous chain immigration system that nearly no other country on Earth has. The fact that it even exists is staggering to many Europeans. Ditto with the diversity visa lottery.

If your average American...particularly those over 40...wanted to immigrate to Europe, to Canada, to Australia...it's unlikely they'd qualify. But...they're just trying to build a better life for themselves and their families! How would you feel about a white family of four...dad an unemployed factory worker, mom making peanuts cleaning houses, and 2 kids...planting themselves in Canada or Europe illegally, taking advantage of the free healthcare and subsidized childcare, working for cash under the table, and then fighting ferociously to be allowed to stay once their host nation's government begins deportation proceedings? Because that's the reality. You'd condemn them for freeloading and support Canada or whatever random European country they invaded for deporting them. How are they different from illegals here? (They're not.)

We don't owe anyone a lifestyle, we don't owe anyone a visa, and we need to reduce immigration...not increase it. We are not a "nation of immigrants" anymore. We do not need your huddled masses yearning to be free. Be free somewhere else. Make your own country free.

Good post, BigD!
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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The children of the DACAs would be US citizens, so of course they would be allowed to stay.
Actually, they shouldn't be, according to the 14th Amendment and CURRENT US Nationality Law. I'm specifically referring to subsections (a) and (b) in the following linked CURRENT Federal Law. If everyone born in the US were actually automatically US citizens, subsection (b) would be redundant and would be neither included nor necessary:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

You need to understand WHY that specific legal exception had to be made for US-born Indians (Native Americans), Eskimos, Aleutians, or other US aboriginals to understand WHY not all those born in the US are automatically US Citizens.

(Hint: They are born subject to a foreign sovereign entity.)
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Gonna go ahead and stop you right there.


Some people are waiting 20+ years to come here legally. These are people who are by and large not immediate relatives of US citizens/GC holders and they almost always come from Mexico, China, India, or the Philippines. There is a reason for this....these people don't qualify in other categories and we have quotas for each category of family reunification except spouses & minor children of US citizens (no quotas). If we didn't have per-country caps, without increasing the # of visas granted in these arcane, low-priority family categories, they'd go almost exclusively to people from Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines. That's hardly fair. And why should we increase the # of visas granted? We don't need to. It's not like we need more people from Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines. We have tons of them already. If we didn't, their family members wouldn't be jamming the system with applications for green cards. That's why it takes so long if you're from one of those countries: SO MANY PEOPLE ARE IN LINE AHEAD OF YOU.


If you're a Mexican guy in your 50s and your brother got amnestied in 1986 and you applied for your green card in like...1992...then yeah, you're gonna wait a while. Guess what, though? Pretty much no other first world country would afford you the opportunity to immigrate there based on the fact that your brother lives there. We have an exceedingly generous chain immigration system that nearly no other country on Earth has. The fact that it even exists is staggering to many Europeans. Ditto with the diversity visa lottery.

If your average American...particularly those over 40...wanted to immigrate to Europe, to Canada, to Australia...it's unlikely they'd qualify. But...they're just trying to build a better life for themselves and their families! How would you feel about a white family of four...dad an unemployed factory worker, mom making peanuts cleaning houses, and 2 kids...planting themselves in Canada or Europe illegally, taking advantage of the free healthcare and subsidized childcare, working for cash under the table, and then fighting ferociously to be allowed to stay once their host nation's government begins deportation proceedings? Because that's the reality. You'd condemn them for freeloading and support Canada or whatever random European country they invaded for deporting them. How are they different from illegals here? (They're not.)

We don't owe anyone a lifestyle, we don't owe anyone a visa, and we need to reduce immigration...not increase it. We are not a "nation of immigrants" anymore. We do not need your huddled masses yearning to be free. Be free somewhere else. Make your own country free.

Ok, fair enough!
But then what gives? Our President one day says he's in favor of DACA, the next he's not.
If DACA was to be pass, us as US Citizens, would we accept it or not?
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Ok, fair enough!
But then what gives? Our President one day says he's in favor of DACA, the next he's not.
If DACA was to be pass, us as US Citizens, would we accept it or not?
I haven't heard Trump say that he is not in favor of DACA, although I wish he would. The Dems refuse any deal that secures our border, that is the biggest issue that I see. It is all about votes for the liberal. They did it with the blacks in the 1960s and are now looking for fresh blood!

Very restrictive DACA might be acceptable to the majority, something along the lines of the Goodlatte Bill: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ill-compromise.

I just want all illegal aliens OUT! I don't care about the sob stories of people involved in breaking our laws, and we should not be cohered into providing for any of them.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:45 AM
 
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Ok, fair enough!
But then what gives? Our President one day says he's in favor of DACA, the next he's not.
If DACA was to be pass, us as US Citizens, would we accept it or not?

Of course we'd have to accept it but there will be many people outraged about it including myself. I have thought this whole thing through in order to form my opinion. Far too many haven't as they are allowing their emotions to get in the way of common sense. I hope the GOP doesn't cave as they'd be committing political suicide in the long run.
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Old 01-26-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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But then what gives? Our President one day says he's in favor of DACA, the next he's not.
If DACA was to be pass, us as US Citizens, would we accept it or not?
That's probably because if he says he's not then he gets accused of being a racist and floods of violent people start looking, once again, at ways to attack him and his family.

And of course the left including the Democrats and 95% of the media will repeat the same lines with hopes of getting people upset.

Having said that, if any legal resident (citizen or not) of the US doesn't want DACA then you need to say so. One thing the left has is they're great at activism and lets face it, they're very well funded, so they do the legwork of contacting Congress, Twitting, sending letters, etc.

Conservatives can sometimes be too passive and that needs to stop. People need to contact their representatives and reaching out to the WH. Otherwise all that's out there is the position of the left and the lies of the media, e.g. 75% of Americans WANT DACA.

Get on it, fellows
https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

P.S. Median age for DACA recipients is 26 y/o and there's massive fraud with the program.
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Old 01-30-2018, 04:05 AM
 
Location: California
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I'd prefer citizenship off the table too. It's bad enough that any kids born here get that. Permanent resident? Green Card? Other maybe? I'm not heartless to their plight. I especially don't think the parents who brought them should get the benefit of citizenship, even if we give a pathway to the "kids". On the table is a 12 year pathway, which is generous.

Family reunification is low on the priority pole too. Lot's of people live away from parents, siblings, etc. so I don't see how it should be controversial to limit this to minor children and spouses.
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Old 01-31-2018, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Olympus Mons, Mars
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these DACA folks really amuse me.. first off they are illegal and then they are now DEMANDING stuff on their own terms. WTF? Demanding? Rather, they should be begging for a reprieve. The audacity of this is truly crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGjbkv6ScM


DACA folks should be deported and we need to come up with a merit based system. If these DACA people are so brilliant then they can apply using the new system and wait in line just like everyone else.

The one reason I absolutely despise these DACA folks is that they think they are somehow better and more entitled than everyone else who is wishing to immigrate just because they came here as a child. That is BS. Infact, the very fact that they got to stay here partly they should thank their godamn stars for that. So many people want to come here but can't... now these DACA folks are DEMANDING greecards... DEMANDING! LOL!

And that crackpot Pelosi and the rest of the lunatic Dems threaten the functioning of our government to support these illegals who should have the least priority of our time when we have more pressing issues that concern our own citizens.
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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You can "want" to send them back all you want. Sending them back is quite another story.
Not giving them any rights and no access to government entitlements is a positive thing to make sure they will not stay. On top of that punish employers and Landlords for housing them and you have a fast way for illegals to return. Problem solved faster than the cost of keeping them here.

This morning on the news there was info that 3 so called "Dreamers" were illegally sneaking more illegals into the Country! These 3 so called "Dreamers" will now loose their DACA status! Good bye! It seems they are not even grateful for the chance to see if Democrats and Republicans can make a deal...they break the law again!
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