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Old 01-28-2018, 07:44 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Hellloooooooo McFLy!?
After an ARREST they go to jail. ICE can be contacted. Pay attention.
And county jails hold illegals on immigration detainers ALL THE TIME
You said you do the investigation and that you arrest them - why are you walking that back? And not everyone who is stopped is taken to jail, your story is making less and less sense.

 
Old 01-28-2018, 07:49 AM
 
Location: la la land
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Mostly traffic offenses. Or domestic battery. DUI. Hit and run. Drug possession. These are not hard and fast rules. Doers get things done.
you are detaining people stopped for a traffic offense until they prove their citizenship? Sorry but I call BS on that.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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And what do you think would happen to our economy. It could cost our economy trillions. Do you even think about the affect it would have on us. Many do jobs americans don't want to do.
"And what do you think would happen to our economy"

Based on what it is COSTING us we would SAVE money which would HELP our economy.


The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers






Report by Matt O'Brien and Spencer Raley | September 27, 2017 | View the Full Report (PDF)
Introduction

A continually growing population of illegal aliens, along with the federal government’s ineffective efforts to secure our borders, present significant national security and public safety threats to the United States. They also have a severely negative impact on the nation’s taxpayers at the local, state, and national levels. Illegal immigration costs Americans billions of dollars each year. Illegal aliens are net consumers of taxpayer-funded services and the limited taxes paid by some segments of the illegal alien population are, in no way, significant enough to offset the growing financial burdens imposed on U.S. taxpayers by massive numbers of uninvited guests. This study examines the fiscal impact of illegal aliens as reflected in both federal and state budgets.
The Number of Illegal Immigrants in the US

Estimating the fiscal burden of illegal immigration on the U.S. taxpayer depends on the size and characteristics of the illegal alien population. FAIR defines “illegal alien” as anyone who entered the United States without authorization and anyone who unlawfully remains once his/her authorization has expired. Unfortunately, the U.S. government has no central database containing information on the citizenship status of everyone lawfully present in the United States. The overall problem of estimating the illegal alien population is further complicated by the fact that the majority of available sources on immigration status rely on self-reported data. Given that illegal aliens have a motive to lie about their immigration status, in order to avoid discovery, the accuracy of these statistics is dubious, at best. All of the foregoing issues make it very difficult to assess the current illegal alien population of the United States.
However, FAIR now estimates that there are approximately 12.5 million illegal alien residents. This number uses FAIR’s previous estimates but adjusts for suspected changes in levels of unlawful migration, based on information available from the Department of Homeland Security, data available from other federal and state government agencies, and other research studies completed by reliable think tanks, universities, and other research organizations.
The Cost of Illegal Immigration to the United States

At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.


https://fairus.org/issue/publication...ates-taxpayers

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens

 
Old 01-28-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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you are detaining people stopped for a traffic offense until they prove their citizenship? Sorry but I call BS on that.
"Drivers License and Registration". Handheld computer.

Illegal Immigrants Without Driver

https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ants/98970110/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/n...istration.html

http://immigration.findlaw.com/immig...tion-laws.html

I could several more articles like this.

I suppose several will be caught in "sobriety" tests which will save American lives, possibly 13 American lives a day: https://www.constitutionparty.com/il...e-all-victims/
 
Old 01-28-2018, 08:36 AM
 
Location: la la land
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"Drivers License and Registration". Handheld computer.
Illegal Immigrants Without Driver
https://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ants/98970110/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/n...istration.html
Alabama State Immigration Laws - FindLaw
I could several more articles like this.
I suppose several will be caught in "sobriety" tests which will save American lives, possibly 13 American lives a day: https://www.constitutionparty.com/il...e-all-victims/
Your sources, the first of which is 7 years old and pre the Arizona papers please fiasco don't contradict anything that I said. Some states can require that you prove your identity during a car stop or go to jail. No states require that you prove you are a citizen. An officer can inquire about the immigration status of a person being detained but the detention cannot extend the time required by the original stop.

Your second source confirms what I have been saying: "Proof of U.S. citizenship or legal residence is required for Tennesseans who wish to obtain a driver's license or state ID. So, while remaining in the country without a legal status is not a criminal offense under the law, driving without a legal status is. Metro police officers do not arrest people based on their immigration status alone, city officials said."

Your last source, regarding Alabama's H.B. 56, had you done a little more research you would have found that most of it was overturned in court in 2013:
Alabama's 2011 anti-immigrant law H.B. 56 still on books, gets new life under Trump | AL.com
 
Old 01-28-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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Ya know I've seen this lie said about the illegals and I just have to end it with truth once and for all. If we can move hundreds of thousands of troops and tanks and gear across the world in 6 months we could deport the illegals over the period of 5 to 10 years.


1. Border.
2. Everify
3. Warrants for all illegals/overstayers
4. Make police immigration officers
5. End welfare schooling for illegals
6. Allow 120 day period to leave on their own and they'd be first in line back legally(this would be huge)
7. 50,000$ fine per illegal employed and prison for direct supervisor (all illegal employment would end yesterday)

Can't work. Can't drive. Can't eat.


They'd be gone in just a few short years.

"Impossible to deport them all" pfffffffffffft

It could be done. It should be done. Thats what doers do. They get things done. Unlike the weak.
Correct.

We were the FIRST country to send a man to the moon

We could beat both Germany AND Japan AT THE SAME TIME even though our Nnavy was decimated at Pear Harbor but, CAN'T deport illegals.

People should read "America at D-Day" by Richard Goldstein and see what we DID do just to support the troops for the invasion.

Just a small part of what was shipped, "The french transport system had been devastated by allied bombing, and so a railroad replacement rail network was created in England. It would be taken across the Channel and then assembled in France to move the men and equipment pouring ashore.Some 1,000 locomotives and 20,000railroad cars had been shipped by D-Day."

"From the beginning of June 1.1 MILLION American soldiers, 427,000 airmen, 124,000 sailors were massed in Britain or offshore in the fleet. in all 2.87 MILLION Allied troops, in 39 divisions plus air and support units were poised for the invasion"

The numbers are mind blowing.

Yet some think we CAN'T deport illegals.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 08:46 AM
 
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Correct.
We were the FIRST country to send a man to the moon
We could beat both Germany AND Japan AT THE SAME TIME even though our Nnavy was decimated at Pear Harbor but, CAN'T deport illegals.
People should read "America at D-Day" by Richard Goldstein and see what we DID do just to support the troops for the invasion.
Just a small part of what was shipped, "The french transport system had been devastated by allied bombing, and so a railroad replacement rail network was created in England. It would be taken across the Channel and then assembled in France to move the men and equipment pouring ashore.Some 1,000 locomotives and 20,000railroad cars had been shipped by D-Day."
"From the beginning of June 1.1 MILLION American soldiers, 427,000 airmen, 124,000 sailors were massed in Britain or offshore in the fleet. in all 2.87 MILLION Allied troops, in 39 divisions plus air and support units were poised for the invasion"
The numbers are mind blowing.
Yet some think we CAN'T deport illegals.
We are not going to treat people here without legal status as though they are a hostile army here to invade us. We are not going to squander scarce resources on hunting down people whose only crime is being here without legal immigration status and we are not going to deport kids or people over 60 who have been here for decades. You are engaging in some kind of fantasy if you think that most americans would be inclined to support your "plan".

You should get a new hobby and quit spending so much time on devising elaborate ways to rid the US of the 'brown plague' You ain't gonna make America white again, that ship already sailed - since 2013, more babies of color have been born in the US than white babies every single year. In 20 years your kind of thinking will only be discussed in secret meetings of the few remaining white nationalists.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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We are not going to treat people here without legal status as though they are a hostile army here to invade us. We are not going to squander scarce resources on hunting down people whose only crime is being here without legal immigration status and we are not going to deport kids or people over 60 who have been here for decades. You are engaging in some kind of fantasy if you think that most americans would be inclined to support your "plan".

You should get a new hobby and quit spending so much time on devising elaborate ways to rid the US of the 'brown plague' You ain't gonna make America white again, that ship already sailed - since 2013, more babies of color have been born in the US than white babies every single year. In 20 years your kind of thinking will only be discussed in secret meetings of the few remaining white nationalists.
Who is the "we" you speak of? They are invading us, taking the lives of American citizens, cheating the system every which way with fraudulent identities stolen from American citizens, and making demands that they not be held to our laws, very much like "hostile army here to invade us."

Again who is "we". Most of us don't consider law enforcement as "squandering scarce resources". There is no statute of limitations on illegal immigration, do you have source saying there is.

"Brown plague"? What is that? Does that have to do with the Rio Grande being polluted with raw sewage from the Mexico side? https://www.texastribune.org/2013/10...an-rio-grande/ That alone makes me not want produce from a country that does that!

More babies of color? How many were born on the taxpayer dime? That would be more interesting than just making that statement. Of course, those of us that don't have our maternity costs paid by Medicaid, ride the coattails of our children into public housing, get WIC and food stamps for our children, etc. aren't going to have as many children as those that sponge off the taxpayers.

We are going to get control of illegal immigration and slowly choke them out of their illegal situations. This is what the country wants, law enforcement.

Anyone who thinks that illegal aliens is a race of people really needs to get a clue before carrying on and on about it!
 
Old 01-28-2018, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Oh really..why are you arresting illegals? It's pretty darned unusual for a city cop to have the time to hunt down "illegals", I don't buy it.

Did you think about what you wrote. You asked why he was arresting ILLEGALS? That's laughable. Like asking why you are arresting Bank Robbers. Don't you Liberals even think about what you write. No wonder people are laughing at the Democrats and the DNC who have become anti-America Clowns pushing for a Communist Nation where they can be the Leaders without having free elections.
 
Old 01-28-2018, 10:00 AM
 
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"And what do you think would happen to our economy"

Based on what it is COSTING us we would SAVE money which would HELP our economy.


The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers






Report by Matt O'Brien and Spencer Raley | September 27, 2017 | View the Full Report (PDF)
Introduction

A continually growing population of illegal aliens, along with the federal government’s ineffective efforts to secure our borders, present significant national security and public safety threats to the United States. They also have a severely negative impact on the nation’s taxpayers at the local, state, and national levels. Illegal immigration costs Americans billions of dollars each year. Illegal aliens are net consumers of taxpayer-funded services and the limited taxes paid by some segments of the illegal alien population are, in no way, significant enough to offset the growing financial burdens imposed on U.S. taxpayers by massive numbers of uninvited guests. This study examines the fiscal impact of illegal aliens as reflected in both federal and state budgets.
The Number of Illegal Immigrants in the US

Estimating the fiscal burden of illegal immigration on the U.S. taxpayer depends on the size and characteristics of the illegal alien population. FAIR defines “illegal alien” as anyone who entered the United States without authorization and anyone who unlawfully remains once his/her authorization has expired. Unfortunately, the U.S. government has no central database containing information on the citizenship status of everyone lawfully present in the United States. The overall problem of estimating the illegal alien population is further complicated by the fact that the majority of available sources on immigration status rely on self-reported data. Given that illegal aliens have a motive to lie about their immigration status, in order to avoid discovery, the accuracy of these statistics is dubious, at best. All of the foregoing issues make it very difficult to assess the current illegal alien population of the United States.
However, FAIR now estimates that there are approximately 12.5 million illegal alien residents. This number uses FAIR’s previous estimates but adjusts for suspected changes in levels of unlawful migration, based on information available from the Department of Homeland Security, data available from other federal and state government agencies, and other research studies completed by reliable think tanks, universities, and other research organizations.
The Cost of Illegal Immigration to the United States

At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.


https://fairus.org/issue/publication...ates-taxpayers

Total Governmental Expenditures on Illegal Aliens
Well refuted as a lousy piece of work by Cato.

https://www.cato.org/blog/fairs-fisc...fatally-flawed

Cato also points out that the cost of deporting just the Dreamers would reach 60 Billion with 260 billion of economic impact.

https://www.cato.org/blog/economic-f...repealing-daca
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