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Old 01-25-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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Seriously?

They need to be deported because they are here illegally. They are called illegal aliens. What part of "illegal" don't you understand?
The part where slavery and then Jim Crow was the law of the land and where this country’s founders illegally and violently ended the rule of the Empire to which they belonged.

Some laws are simply unjust and violate human rights and dignity. I don’t fetishize “law and order” unlike so many petty tyrants and authoritarians.

 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:07 PM
 
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This old liberal lie?

An illegal is a cop in Illinois. Construction. Painting. Plumbing. Carpentry. Dry wall. High rise construction at 35 an hour. Manufacturing. Factories. Maintenance. Hospitality. White collar jobs.
Tens of thousands of teachers are illegals.


Enough of the liberal lie that there are 20 million illegals picking fruit and cleaning toilets.
These are union jobs and they don't hire illegals. And there aren't tens of thousands of teachers who are illegal LOLOL You are so naive, how many americans want to work in hotels and make beds and clean toilets. Tell me how many americans are upset they can't get these jobs because they are plentiful
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:09 PM
 
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HUGE fail. Illegals cost 136,000,000,000 (BILLION) dollars per year.

*yawn*

That number has been debunked numerous times:
Donald Trump says illegal immigration costs $113 billion a year | PolitiFact
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:12 PM
 
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The part where slavery and then Jim Crow was the law of the land and where this country’s founders illegally and violently ended the rule of the Empire to which they belonged.

Some laws are simply unjust and violate human rights and dignity. I don’t fetishize “law and order” unlike so many petty tyrants and authoritarians.
Yeah like importing 1.1 million global immigrants to compete against Americans and act as counter voters and counter culture. I'm all for opposing that law.
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:19 PM
 
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Ya know I've seen this lie said about the illegals and I just have to end it with truth once and for all. If we can move hundreds of thousands of troops and tanks and gear across the world in 6 months we could deport the illegals over the period of 5 to 10 years.


1. Border.
2. Everify
3. Warrants for all illegals/overstayers
4. Make police immigration officers
5. End welfare schooling for illegals
6. Allow 120 day period to leave on their own and they'd be first in line back legally(this would be huge)
7. 50,000$ fine per illegal employed and prison for direct supervisor (all illegal employment would end yesterday)

Can't work. Can't drive. Can't eat.


They'd be gone in just a few short years.

"Impossible to deport them all" pfffffffffffft

It could be done. It should be done. Thats what doers do. They get things done. Unlike the weak.
Pure nonsense post.
1. Net flow is out at the border. Illegals today come in on airplanes. Money in border structure mostly a waste.
2. The Chambers of Commerce will always win on Everify. You will have to have knowledge that the person is in fact illegal. And we have always been unwilling to allow the Feds to have an ID system that can track people which is exactly what you need for Everify to work. And it has always been the right that will not accept such a system.
3. Warrants require courts and judges. We have maybe 10% of what is required. And we require staff to serve the warrants. And they cost and are hard to find.
4, If Police are Immigration officers the Feds will have to pay them. There goes another tens of billiions
Then you need detention facilities to hold them.
5. Supreme Court has held that schooling for all residents is required. And at this point the vast majority of the children of illegals are American citizens.
6. Is the only though you have that might help a little. But it will never sell because the hard nosed opponents will insist that is rewarding the illegals..
7. Again the Chambers of Commerce will easily smash any such proposition. Won't even work up aw sweat.

Practically the points are absurd. If we really wanted to we could probably pull it off over 10 or 12 years at
a very high cost. And even if we started it would be a long and tough haul. Wait until a couple of big pieces of LA go up in smoke. Or it becomes very difficult for Police or Immigration to set foot in some neighborhood.

And even workable steps to limit employment may backfire by simply forcing the illegals to the grey market thereby having an even worse impact on low end pay.

All in all it is simply impossible. And on top of that the US population has no interest at all in undertaking the task.
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:21 PM
 
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And what do you think would happen to our economy. It could cost our economy trillions. Do you even think about the affect it would have on us. Many do jobs americans don't want to do.
At this point, looking at a future as being a second or third class wage slave in a third world country, I really don't care if the economy tanks. It'll hurt the bastards on Wall Street a helluva lot more than it'll hurt us and I say good riddance!
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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You're right it isn't increasing so why build a wall. But if we deported all illegals it would devastate our country. We would not survive. Farming wouldn't survive for one.
We'd grow our own food. We'd become more self-sufficient. The globalists would be pissed and I'd be happy!
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:24 PM
 
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We'd grow our own food. We'd become more self-sufficient. The globalists would be pissed and I'd be happy!
Oh yeah, like we are all going to work on a farm.
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:25 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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And what do you think would happen to our economy. It could cost our economy trillions. Do you even think about the affect it would have on us. Many do jobs americans don't want to do.
Okay, first off, you are absolutely wrong. About what? Well, that's easy. Your entire statement is false, and frankly ridiculous. Let's start with your first point. It could cost our economy trillions. Absolutely false. There is only about 1.2 trillion dollars circulating around the entire United States at any given time. So there is absolutely no way deporting illegal aliens, even 10 million of them, could cost our economy trillions. Actually, it wouldn't cost us a thing, because the money that was going into the pockets of illegal aliens would begin going into the pockets of American citizens.


Which brings me to your second false statement. That tried and true old myth about illegals doing the jobs Americans don't want to do. Sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Illegals began by taking all the farming jobs. Now, it is true, farming had sort of fallen out of fashion a few decades ago, so a certain number of DOCUMENTED workers were allowed to come in to help fill in the gaps. But there were still Americans working farm work, and farming was also a good source of income for young people out of school for the summer. Those summer jobs were the first thing to go. Which subsequently also robbed many young people of the opportunity to go and do a hard day's work for a hard earned day's wage. Jobs like that help build character in young people, but by the time we were into the early 80's, all those jobs were gone.


Then, shortly after the massive influx of illegals on the farm, we started seeing them on the job doing construction work. And slowly but surely, their willingness to work for a fraction of the wages earned by Americans led them to virtually take over many areas of the construction world. Americans are more than willing to do these jobs. They just won't do them for 1/4 to 1/2 the pay. You see natalie, it isn't that Americans don't want to do these jobs the illegals are doing. Americans just simply expect to be paid a decent wage for their time and skill. There was a time when a 20 year brick layer could make 25 to 45 dollars/hour practicing his/her trade. The same went for carpenters, electricians, etc. But the influx of illegal workers drove those wages down so far that American workers could no longer compete and keep their businesses running. So while in your mind these people are only doing the jobs Americans don't want to do, the reality is they have driven Americans out of their professions. A willingness to work for a quarter the going rate was all it took.
 
Old 01-25-2018, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Oh yeah, like we are all going to work on a farm.
No time to protest if you are pulling carrots.... Amazing what you might find yourself doing when hunger kicks in.
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