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Originally Posted by natalie469
And what do you think would happen to our economy. It could cost our economy trillions. Do you even think about the affect it would have on us. Many do jobs americans don't want to do.
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It would only cost trillions if we give amnesty to the whole mess of them! We realize, from past posts, that you hire most of your service work out. You can't imagine someone mowing their own grass, so you really don't represent most Americans.
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Originally Posted by AllenSJC
Why should they be deported?
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Because they have broke immigration law.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
You're right it isn't increasing so why build a wall. But if we deported all illegals it would devastate our country. We would not survive. Farming wouldn't survive for one.
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Seriously, maybe you wouldn't since you appear to contract nearly every job that you can manage if you can hire an illegal to do it, or so your posts indicate time and time again. Farming not survive. I have family members that have been farming for generations and am surrounded by American farmers here in the Flint Hills of Kansas. Where on earth do you live that you are not aware of what America is?
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
Not to mention it would cause an increase in the national deficit. Trust me, I've worked in restaurants that employee illegals, and NONE of them ever get tax refunds. They're too afraid to file taxes, but they don't get audited because they rarely make enough to owe the IRS money. All those millions of dollars they are pouring into the tax pool will vanish.
And there are actually a lot less illegals in here than there were years ago, and there are less of them coming in all the time: https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-...family-s-story
This whole issue is a big nothingburger. Of all the problems the US has, a few dishwashers, janitors, and fruit pickers living in the US on expired visas is low on the priorities list.
Want to kick someone out of the country? Let's start with the NSA and the police unions.
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Wrong!
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/tax-...illegal-aliens and
Groups want Trump to close loophole allowing illegal immigrants to abuse tax credits | Fox News
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Do you honestly think americans want to do the jobs they do. No one seems can answer that. I have never seen such hard workers in my life.
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Obviously you hire illegal aliens and watch them work. Many of us do our own work, so your experience is not that of everyone.
PLEASE BOOKMARK THESE SO I DON'T HAVE TO KEEP LINKING THEM IN:
https://cis.org/Are-There-Really-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/anot...s-wont-do-myth
https://cis.org/Testimony/Illegal-Im...-Black-Workers
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Originally Posted by AllenSJC
In my experience, along with the experiences of many others I know (including both employers and employees from a variety of different businesses), backed up by an immense number of empirical studies, immigrants - regardless of legal status - are at least as hard-working and contribute at least as much to the country as native-born American citizens. In many cases, they’re more hard-working and contribute more than a lot of Americans who take a lot of things for granted because they were lucky enough to be born in this country. Think about that.
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Legal status? We are only talking about illegal aliens, foreigners who have broken our immigration laws, and break laws nearly every day to remain here. They have NO RIGHT TO WORK IN THE USA, get that NO RIGHT!
We have many law breakers in prison, they are hard working, but because they broke the law.........
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Originally Posted by natalie469
These are union jobs and they don't hire illegals. And there aren't tens of thousands of teachers who are illegal LOLOL You are so naive, how many americans want to work in hotels and make beds and clean toilets. Tell me how many americans are upset they can't get these jobs because they are plentiful
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Seriously, union jobs are few and far between. Where have you been for 30 or so years? The US has changed.
Please see my links above as far as who works in those jobs. Also it is not a matter of who "wants" to do jobs, but what jobs are available in any market and people that want to provide for themselves and their families. Here, many of the jobs that you speak of are done by college students since they are part-time, or moms that do these part-time jobs while the kids are in school. You don't seem to know much about the world of work. Many of us have done or are doing jobs we would rather not do, but rather than be a welfare mooch, we work.
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
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Only by liberal media that is "full of bunk"!
https://fairus.org/issue/publication...ates-taxpayers
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-billion-over/
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Originally Posted by MongooseHugger
We'd grow our own food. We'd become more self-sufficient. The globalists would be pissed and I'd be happy!
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I'm in Kansas, grew up in Michigan/Indiana area, and people here have been growing their own food for a long time. If we get that tariff on incoming goods, to include produce, that will be a real boom for the family farms. Anymore, many of us are looking for "organic" produce (only God knows what poisons are used on incoming produce) and it is USA and we pay a good price for this healthy produce.
The Amish in the last area where I lived made a good living selling produce and baked goods. There is a market for these items and where you have demand, people will fill that demand.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Oh yeah, like we are all going to work on a farm.
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Seriously, 1 farmer feeds 155 people worldwide (
https://recipes.howstuffworks.com/ho...armer-feed.htm), so not everyone will have to work on a farm, but you might have to mow your own grass, how about a riding lawn mower? Natalie, I think you are pulling our leg, there is no way that you can't be aware of how all of this works.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
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Again, like my previous post, unions pay those wages with benefits. Illegals don't bring the wages down because unions don't hire illegals. And if you don't think bricklayer pays their employees $45 an hour or more than you have no idea what you are talking about. If you aren't a union member then you don't get the benefits
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Unions? This is not 1970! They do bring wages. Here, the companies that hire illegal aliens (let the raids begin) start employees at $7.50 to $8.00 BUT the one that does e-verify has a starting wage of $13 to $14. If we run out the illegals, the other companies will pay more, the wages will be spent locally rather than being Western Unioned out to Mexico (in 2016, $26 billion went out to Mexico alone) supporting more jobs in the community.
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Originally Posted by mtl1
I don't know where you keep getting this idea that construction and trade workers are all unionized. A lot of it is not even done on the books. They pay the workers in cash a lot of times even.
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I don't understand that either. Most union jobs are gone. And, yes, illegals work off the books.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Well then that's on the companies who do illegal things, like hiring illegals.
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And people who use them to mow their grass, right? Didn't you imply that you didn't mow your own grass and therefore, no one does? Once the workplace raids begin, things will move along a little better. Right now they are concentrating on those with serious crimes and orders of removal.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
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A DACA? A "dreamer"? Very simply an illegal alien.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
If any construction job isn't union of course it's low paying. And they don't even get benefits.
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Oh, they get benefits. The wife/girlfriend drops 4+ anchor babies while living in public housing, and they get free emergency medical care through a loophole in Medicaid. Illegal aliens use the emergency room at 3 times the rate of a US citizen and this includes dropping their anchor babies!
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Originally Posted by natalie469
And that's really the point. People will be replaced by robots. So how about we stop having so many kids when they have no future.
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Yeah, I thought by now we would be living like the Jetsons, but I just don't see that anytime soon. It is very costly to do and will be impractical with many jobs.
Tell your stop having so many kids to the illegal aliens who have 4+ to milk the US welfare system.
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Originally Posted by saltine
“We”? Who’s having all these kids?
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I had one and adopted one, but then we had to pay to raise our own kids, unlike the illegals that have the 4+ kids.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
No, it won't because unions take care of the middle class and always will.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-...b_4826076.html
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
Okay, so how exactly do illegals cost the government that much money?
It would take them ALL being on welfare to cost that much. Not to mention a lot of that stuff (like fire protection) isn't even really an expense they make in any way other than their simply being human and being in the US.
I love how Trumpists just ignore any fact that disputes their absurd worldviews.
Bottom line is, illegal immigration is not a big problem. I'm a lot more concerned with water shortages, both present and coming, and antibiotic immune bacteria, than I am a few fruit pickers.
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You can't be serious. You are so far off from the mark, most of your post isn't worth addressing or has been previously addressed.
But, water shortage:
Why Californians Are Starved of Water
A few fruit pickers? Yes, very few illegal aliens pick fruits, about 2%, but we are talking about all 100% of them. 1 in 8 now holds a white collar job.
Lives Impacted byf Illegal Immigration
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Originally Posted by victorianpunk
Yep, because no American citizen EVER robbed, murdered, or committed fraud
Why do we here all this whining about illegals, when these guys get a pass: https://patch.com/tennessee/nashvill...mbers-indicted
And as for illegals and welfare: https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/polit...ars/index.html
By all means, enforce the laws we already have, but it isn't worth it to go out of our way to deport millions of people when they could just enforce the laws already on the books and the handful of lazy ones will leave on their own.
Gee, I wonder what's harder to live through: having your town run out of water, or having a neighbor named Carlos who washes dishes?
And it isn't "some liberals" saying water shortages will be a problem, it's the CIA:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...20Security.pdf
But hey, they're the "deep state" so what do they know?
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But all of these people would still be here with us if not for the presence of an illegal alien:
Victims of Illegal Aliens Memorial Tell their families how illegal aliens aren't a problem.
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Originally Posted by EastwardBound
But, if you deport enough, many of the illegals will return on their own.
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And, the "oh boo-hoo" stories are working just the opposite of how liberal media wants them to work. Families are seeing families like themselves losing illegal family members who are being deported. The smart ones will get ahead of it and go home on their own.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
A few fruit pickers? Are you not aware that only 2% of illegal aliens are picking crops and that there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers for farm work? That means the rest aren't picking fruit they have taken jobs from Americans such as construction by working for less. Is it really necessary to refer to those of us who support our president to call them silly names such as "Trumpists"? Here's a link for you. I have many more. They supplement their wages with welfare.
https://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...llect-welfare/
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I can say that anyone that says "a few fruit pickers" is not aware. The only way to keep promoting illegal immigration as a good thing is to dwell in the land of hopeless ignorance.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
It's a little more complex than that, it started with union busting. It's ended up with temp agencies replacing union halls and paying people $10 an hour for work that used to pay enough to support a family. Illegals take those jobs because it's hard to convince a citizen that it's a good idea to tile a roof or stucco a house for minimum wage
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We have a lot of people here working for $10 an hour. The illegals work for less, but they have NO RIGHT TO WORK IN THE USA, over 50% working are using a stolen identity (fraud) and others work under-the-table (illegal).
Adding a work requirement for those getting Medicaid that are capable of working will help encourage some lazy Americans to get off the sofa and work. Far too many Americans have given up looking for work. I have watched with my own eyes Americans being replaced by illegal aliens.
Good news is that since Trump started, I have watched signs go up "Taking Applications", something I have not seen in awhile. And wages are edging up in order to draw workers or keep the younger people in the area.
We have a lot of family businesses that lose out to those that come in and underbid using illegal labor.
You really don't want people who don't obey the law on your property, you can figure the reason on your own.