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Old 01-26-2018, 08:03 AM
 
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Okay, first off, you are absolutely wrong. About what? Well, that's easy. Your entire statement is false, and frankly ridiculous. Let's start with your first point. It could cost our economy trillions. Absolutely false. There is only about 1.2 trillion dollars circulating around the entire United States at any given time. So there is absolutely no way deporting illegal aliens, even 10 million of them, could cost our economy trillions. Actually, it wouldn't cost us a thing, because the money that was going into the pockets of illegal aliens would begin going into the pockets of American citizens.


Which brings me to your second false statement. That tried and true old myth about illegals doing the jobs Americans don't want to do. Sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Illegals began by taking all the farming jobs. Now, it is true, farming had sort of fallen out of fashion a few decades ago, so a certain number of DOCUMENTED workers were allowed to come in to help fill in the gaps. But there were still Americans working farm work, and farming was also a good source of income for young people out of school for the summer. Those summer jobs were the first thing to go. Which subsequently also robbed many young people of the opportunity to go and do a hard day's work for a hard earned day's wage. Jobs like that help build character in young people, but by the time we were into the early 80's, all those jobs were gone.


Then, shortly after the massive influx of illegals on the farm, we started seeing them on the job doing construction work. And slowly but surely, their willingness to work for a fraction of the wages earned by Americans led them to virtually take over many areas of the construction world. Americans are more than willing to do these jobs. They just won't do them for 1/4 to 1/2 the pay. You see natalie, it isn't that Americans don't want to do these jobs the illegals are doing. Americans just simply expect to be paid a decent wage for their time and skill. There was a time when a 20 year brick layer could make 25 to 45 dollars/hour practicing his/her trade. The same went for carpenters, electricians, etc. But the influx of illegal workers drove those wages down so far that American workers could no longer compete and keep their businesses running. So while in your mind these people are only doing the jobs Americans don't want to do, the reality is they have driven Americans out of their professions. A willingness to work for a quarter the going rate was all it took.

Excellent, truthful post but I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears as it doesn't fit their narrative that we need illegal aliens for anything in this country. I would only add that many of these blue-collared jobs you mentioned are so flooded with Spanish speakers of like ethnicity (mostly illegal aliens) that an English speaking white or black American wouldn't get hired no matter what wages they were willing to accept.

 
Old 01-26-2018, 08:37 AM
 
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fairus numbersusa and CIS are all run by the nationalist racist Steve Camarota. They were founded by John Tanton, whom CNN describes as "a retired Michigan ophthalmologist who has openly embraced eugenics, the science of improving the genetic quality of the human population by encouraging selective breeding and at times, advocating for the sterilization of genetically undesirable groups." The Hill notes that Tanton's opposition to immigration is driven by a desire for population reduction and protection of an ethnic white majority. Feel free to cite their data but it's generally fake (factcheck it if you want) but don't come in here shouting when someone uses a liberal source that you claim is 'fake news'
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The Amish in the last area where I lived made a good living selling produce and baked goods. There is a market for these items and where you have demand, people will fill that demand.
lol the Amish make their money running puppy mills Puppies 'Viewed as Livestock' in Amish Community, Says Rescue Advocate - ABC News
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A few fruit pickers? Yes, very few illegal aliens pick fruits, about 2%, but we are talking about all 100% of them. 1 in 8 now holds a white collar job.
too funny, those 'few illegal aliens who pick fruit' actually contribute at least 50% of the farm labor in the US, in some states it's as much as 70-80%. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.b7948dacae4a
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A DACA? A "dreamer"? Very simply an illegal alien. Oh, they get benefits. The wife/girlfriend drops 4+ anchor babies while living in public housing, and they get free emergency medical care through a loophole in Medicaid. Illegal aliens use the emergency room at 3 times the rate of a US citizen and this includes dropping their anchor babies!
You don't like birthright citizenship, then lobby your congressional reps to change it but a DACA recipient is not an illegal alien so please refrain from making stuff up. While they have DACA status they have legal presence here. As far as this "emergency room use at 3 times the rate of a citizen" wrong...you must have gotten that from CIS or InfoWars.
"Using 2009 data from the California Health Interview Survey, the researchers found that 11 percent of adults living illegally in California had visited a hospital emergency room in the past year, a rate significantly lower than the 20 percent of U.S. born adults in California. That “negates the myth that undocumented immigrants are responsible for [emergency department] overcrowding,” the researchers wrote in the latest issue of the journal Health Affairs. They noted little difference among children’s ER visits."
https://khn.org/news/study-illegal-i...f-health-care/
 
Old 01-26-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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You don't "fetishize laws". What the heck does that even mean? Does it mean that if you don't like a law, you just go and break it? What happens if you get arrested? Will your defense in court be that you don't fetishize laws? And you expect that to get you off the hook? Wow...just...wow.
I believe the poster said "fetishize law and order" which means:

fetishize
/ˈfɛtɪʃˌaɪz/
verb
1.
(transitive) to be excessively or irrationally devoted to (an object, activity, etc)
Derived Forms
fetishization, fetishisation, noun

And I agree, we have people in these forums who fetichize immigration law and hold it in as much reverence as some people do the 10 commandments.
 
Old 01-26-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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You've got to be kidding. Oidiots illegal CACA doesn't make illegals legal. He's an illegal alien. Plain and simple
What is 'Oidiots'??? You claim to be a cop, if that's true then I would assume you understand that DACA recipients have legal status. I sure hope you don't try to arrest one of them for an immigration violation because if you do you will be turning that shiny badge in shortly thereafter
 
Old 01-26-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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Nothing is impossible if we put our minds to it and work as a team instead of a divided country. Deport those we can deport, make it impossible to work or live for the rest and the problem will resolve itself within a reasonable amount of time. MAGA & Make America America again, a country for all who come here LEGALLY.
There aren't many people in this country who will want to join your team and remove immigrants who have been here for 20 or 30 years so good luck with that.
 
Old 01-26-2018, 10:12 AM
 
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What is 'Oidiots'??? You claim to be a cop, if that's true then I would assume you understand that DACA recipients have legal status. I sure hope you don't try to arrest one of them for an immigration violation because if you do you will be turning that shiny badge in shortly thereafter
No, some want "legal" status for DACA, that is what DACA is about, giving legal status to the illegal - a ridiculous thing to even consider in the first place. Over 2,000 DACA have been arrested, many lied on their applications and have been removed. In order to remain DACA eligible, there is a list of requirements that they must keep.

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There aren't many people in this country who will want to join your team and remove immigrants who have been here for 20 or 30 years so good luck with that.
Immigrants cannot be removed unless they commit a crime from a list. Illegal aliens can be removed despite how long they have been in the USA. There is no statute of limitations when it comes to breaking immigration laws which both crossing the border without authorization and visa overstayers have done.

We have already seen stories of illegal aliens being removed after years, most have broken more than immigration laws or are felons having re-entered after being deported.

One at a time: Dreamer deported as Homeland Security disputes circumstances - ABC News As I said, they have rules they have to follow, and let's face it, they are the offspring of parents who didn't respect laws.

And the number keeps decreasing: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...on/1005081001/
 
Old 01-26-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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Yep, because no American citizen EVER robbed, murdered, or committed fraud


Why do we here all this whining about illegals, when these guys get a pass: https://patch.com/tennessee/nashvill...mbers-indicted


And as for illegals and welfare: https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/polit...ars/index.html


By all means, enforce the laws we already have, but it isn't worth it to go out of our way to deport millions of people when they could just enforce the laws already on the books and the handful of lazy ones will leave on their own.
Gee, I wonder what's harder to live through: having your town run out of water, or having a neighbor named Carlos who washes dishes?

And it isn't "some liberals" saying water shortages will be a problem, it's the CIA:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...20Security.pdf

But hey, they're the "deep state" so what do they know?
Wow. American citizens commit crimes so lets import tens of millions of illegal 3rd worlders that will cause problems and commit crimes. Real good logic there. (Sarcasm)


You failed again. Why are there water shortages?
 
Old 01-26-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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The most difficult thing, IMO, about the deportation process is that it's a whole court process, and even illegal immigrants have certain due process rights. It can take a long time to move someone through the system, I think the average at this point is 2 years to case resolution. There is a massive backlog, I think 600k cases right now. We would need to hire many, many more immigration judges, at the least, to be able to deport massive amounts of people more quickly. That costs money. We do have a massive military budget we can probably cut into to help with that. Also, we personally send people back on planes, which also costs us money, so the more deportations would need the bigger budget to actually do the physical deporting, as well.

But then there's still the appeals process, which may delay deportation even more. IMHO it should be as simple as, if you're not a citizen and have been ordered removed through one whole court process, that's it. No appeals, no second chances. You're done. But that has its legal issues, though my argument is maybe those certain rights shouldn't exist for non-citizens. Maybe no right to appeal an order of deportation. If you're illegal, you're illegal and you're fair game to deport. This isn't exactly a secret and shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
 
Old 01-26-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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No, some want "legal" status for DACA, that is what DACA is about, giving legal status to the illegal - a ridiculous thing to even consider in the first place. Over 2,000 DACA have been arrested, many lied on their applications and have been removed. In order to remain DACA eligible, there is a list of requirements that they must keep.
once again, if they have valid DACA status they are not subject to deportation and their presence is not illegal.
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Immigrants cannot be removed unless they commit a crime from a list. Illegal aliens can be removed despite how long they have been in the USA. There is no statute of limitations when it comes to breaking immigration laws which both crossing the border without authorization and visa overstayers have done.
I think you probably knew that I was referring to illegal immigrants
 
Old 01-26-2018, 10:34 AM
 
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But then there's still the appeals process, which may delay deportation even more. IMHO it should be as simple as, if you're not a citizen and have been ordered removed through one whole court process, that's it. No appeals, no second chances. You're done. But that has its legal issues, though my argument is maybe those certain rights shouldn't exist for non-citizens. Maybe no right to appeal an order of deportation. If you're illegal, you're illegal and you're fair game to deport. This isn't exactly a secret and shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
The courts have long established that illegal aliens have due process rights.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...igration-plan/
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